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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 18:41 
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From "Sky" today :

SPEED CAMERA MAKES £750K

A temporary speed trap at roadworks led to motorists being fined £750,000 in just two months.

Cameras were placed on both carriageways of the busy A27 at Falmer in East Sussex while a pedestrian subway was installed.


The speed limit was reduced from 70mph to 40mph, but about 12,500 drivers failed to slow down, and incurred £60 fines.

The figures were disclosed in the 2003-2004 annual review of the Sussex Speed Camera Partnership, which runs the county's cameras.

The Government-funded organisation made just under £1.5m profit for the year, half provided by the motorists caught at the A27 roadworks during February and March, which was handed back to the Department for Constitutional Affairs.

A spokeswoman for the Partnership said it was "disappointing" that thousands of people were still speeding in Sussex.

"All sites have speed limit reminders and camera symbol signs in advance of the camera and some have flashing vehicle activated signs (VAS).

"If drivers and riders are missing all these warnings, what else are they missing on our roads?"

The review also found that serious injury crashes and deaths went down by 31% at fixed speed camera sites during the year, and 16% at mobile sites which are manned less often.

Paul - I find the last part staggering and highly unlikely. Any figures to challenge this nonsense ?


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cotswold wrote:
The review also found that serious injury crashes and deaths went down by 31% at fixed speed camera sites during the year, and 16% at mobile sites which are manned less often.

Paul - I find the last part staggering and highly unlikely. Any figures to challenge this nonsense ?


Oh it's probably true. It's just that the cameras didn't cause the reduction. Have a read of these pages:

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/rttm.html
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/gambling.html
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/pr126.html
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/pr127.html
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/heydecker.html
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/heydecker2.html
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/moreorless.html

It's a wilful misuse of statistics. And it make my blood boil. :hoppingmad:

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How about cas figures for the rest of the county ?

Up, I bet......

Usual routine....drive fast...see camera...brake....go past...speed up again

Meanwhile car behind doesn't see camera and bang !! Straight up the car in front....

Seen it happen.....


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cotswold wrote:
Meanwhile car behind doesn't see camera and bang !! Straight up the car in front....

Seen it happen.....

That scenario is a regular weekly occurence on the A3 near the Tolworth junction.

The A3 is 3 lanes wide and used to be a NSL. Before the camera's went up, I had personally never seen any accidents at that particular site (and I use the A3 every day).
As soon as the camera's went up, the speed limit was dropped to 50mph and that is when the accidents started occuring. These aren't "small" accidents that occur either (for the insurance companies anyway), I have counted up to 20 vehicles on one occasion that have shunted in to each other as a result of the "domino" effect.

If camera's are meant to save lives etc, then surely even the most brain dead of individuals can see that the camera's on the A3 are causing more accident's than ever before when they start looking at the stats.

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Gixxer wrote:
cotswold wrote:
Meanwhile car behind doesn't see camera and bang !! Straight up the car in front....

Seen it happen.....

That scenario is a regular weekly occurence on the A3 near the Tolworth junction.

The A3 is 3 lanes wide and used to be a NSL. Before the camera's went up, I had personally never seen any accidents at that particular site (and I use the A3 every day).
As soon as the camera's went up, the speed limit was dropped to 50mph and that is when the accidents started occuring. These aren't "small" accidents that occur either (for the insurance companies anyway), I have counted up to 20 vehicles on one occasion that have shunted in to each other as a result of the "domino" effect.

If camera's are meant to save lives etc, then surely even the most brain dead of individuals can see that the camera's on the A3 are causing more accident's than ever before when they start looking at the stats.


I used that stretch of road daily at all times of the day and night when working out of chesington industrial estate for 4 years before and 3 years after then new speed restriction and cameras whent in. and without a doubt I saw more accidents after the speed limit was dropped.

And the justification for the speed restriction was a bus stop on the A3 just at the crest of a hill (where then only accidents other than a suicide I saw in the 4 years before the cameras and speed limit dropped happened).

And that was removed 6 weeks after the speed restriction was introduced and the bus rerouted. So they replaced a bus that was some times on the road and causing an obstruction and making people brake hard if they caught sight of it late with a camera that’s always there and always making people brake or slowing the traffic down so much it a tail to tail bumper fest.

And not only is that section of road IMO more dangerous now but it is a hell of a lot more congested than ever before I just think it is daft.


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The review also found that serious injury crashes and deaths went down by 31% at fixed speed camera sites during the year, and 16% at mobile sites which are manned less often.


:yawn:


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