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Papamau

Please PLEASE do not use term "incestuous" to Mad Mog! He has foster child in his care - result of unfortunate incident. They object to "speedophile" as well for same reason.

Could have been your use of "in-bred" that made him flare a bit!

As Paul reminded us BiBs like me look at this site and children also will view it. Know for fact my own do and Mad's own kids do! Think he is concerned that about this child getting hurt reading words such as the ones you use.


Do of course realise that you could not possibly have known this and hope you will not take offence when I ask you to refrain from using that kind of language! If mad Mog has cause you offence - no doubt he will apologise to you cos he is a real gent!

It takes a LOT to offend me and I NEVER react to personal attacks or insults !

Mind you I see nothing wrong with PROPER words like "incestuous" or "in-bred" or even "speedophile" for that matter as long as they are not used in their insulting modes !

I LOVE playing with words and I often find that if I use a word tongue-in-cheek I can get a response where the usual boring words might not.

Be assured... even although some of the more "sensitive" souls here - including your eminent leader - might react badly to some of the words I often use, ( NEVER heavy swearword of course ).....I do not intend them to be insulting or hurttful. If the punter has taken it that way then it is because of their lack of understanding in the complexities of verbal intercourse, ( hope that "intercourse" is not a banned word ), or they just want to be contra for the sake of it. I don't mind either way !

OH yes... and....BTW....



I will take that as A typo' as it is spelled "Papaumau"......

I was given that nick by a Maori friend of mine when I worked overseas in the civil service ! ( It means big-man - using a loose translation ). I got this as I am six foot three and nineteen stones of fighting flesh. ( just retired last year from competing in the Scottish Highland games field heavy-events ). If you want a picture all you have to do is ask.

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Papaumau

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Hard to see why anyone would be upset when you say "intercourse" as you have qualified it by saying it's verbal. You have not always qualified your terms, or used a smiley to indicate that we shouldn't take it too literally/seriously. Think about all those studies about body language and inflection that claim that the actual words make up the minority of communication, and then remember that in here words are all we can see. All the gestures we would make in face to face conversation are lost. If you type in something with a smile because you don't mean it literally we can't see that. Smilies can help, but sometimes it's better to be boring rather than misunderstood.
BTW, my earlier questions haven't gone away, though I really feel that a road safety forum is not the place to debate them. You've explained why you think it's a safety issue, but few seem to agree - perhaps "health" covers it better. I don't know how Paul Smith would feel about using the General Chat forum for issues like this, but hopefully he'll let us know.

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It isn't something I feel strongly about - I'm quite happy for the forum topics to be fairly loose and broad. But this probably is better under "general chat" so I moved it.

I'm also not too worried if topics get posted to the wrong forum - it only takes a few seconds to move them if nescessary.

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Ooh Er! NanananananARGGHH! Am 6 foot five and a bit Matey! Not tub of lard either as weigh less than 19 stones! Lean and mean!!!! So you do a bit o f Highland Flinging! -- WildyCat is rugby widow in winter and golf widow in summer! (And I had great game yesterday and even better time trying to tame a computer hacking "WildCat burglar and identity taker!" (Mind you - I get to be beauty salon widower, and stand around frock shops like piece of furniture whilst she parades up and down asking the question that only wimmin ask - and you never get the answer right! )

Hah! So I play with words and tinker with your name a bit! Was aware that this could upset you (er - sorry! ) - but could not resist the daring look in Wildy's eyes just as our youngest started off. Knew I should not have used that term when trying to explain to him what Papa does at work! Do not have problem with "verbal intercourse" nor do I "lack in any understanding of such complexities of language." My job is fairly social - and I do speak more than one language! Have to as wife speaks mostly Swiss German, but does yatter on in number of other lingos as well! and they do speak "romansch" (Swiss lingo which is mutually intelligible to Catalan - so they say ) when they do not want "outsiders" to join in!

You say you see nothing wrong with the i/word and the s/word? Wrote to Grauniad about use of such words and got apology from editor when I pointed out that some speedsters may have been victims in past and this may cause unnecessary upset. Also Wildy tore into BiB on PH for same usage - and PetrolTed did ask the chap to tone it down recently.

Do not want to go into details of the child in our care - but we thought we were tough until we read the case file! Am monitoring and censoring their use of internet anyway - but know my eldest (16 and 14 - junior petrolheads!) read this site - and have the policing regarding this site and the PH one, given recent usage of these words, well in hand anyway But still do not like idea and possibility of this child reading such words in association with the petrolheads it is living with! Incidentally, we are working wonders with this child's attitude towards sinful resource guzzling motors! Bringin' 'em up well - ain't I!

I would be grateful if you could find some alternative words to hammer a stubborn Yorkshirebred petrolhead like me with!

Mad Moggie (posting as himself who has since banned his wife from his den!)

<< (Clean funeral - means give to expert to get rid of properly!)>>

That is going to Landfill then, as yet their is no proper recycling systems in place. You merely need to put a recycling logo on the side of your truck, and hey presto expensive landfill charges.

<<Presumably I will be paying pollution surcharge for use of the bus! >>


By paying a pollution surcharge, how does that reduce pollution??

Does the bus use a more efficient fuel??

Or are you being ripped off??

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Steve

Paps,

I myself have looked into the global warming muddle that occured from the 70's to the present and couldn't believe the things that I found. reading about Patrick Moore (greenpeace founder) and other defectors from the "organisation" that highlighted the aggressive scaremongering tactics used into believing we are all heading for doomsday E.G. See the 'skeptical environmentalist' written by none other than a former member of greenpeace Bjorn Lomborg. See review below in italic.

According to The Skeptical Environmentalist the hole in the Ozone Layer is healing. The Amazon has shrunk by only 14 per cent since the arrival of Man. Only 0.7 per cent of species will be driven to extinction over the next 50 years. Even the poorest humans are getting richer by the year. Things are not good enough; but they are far, far better than we have been taught to believe. Lomborg, a professor of statistics and a former Greenpeace member, reveals the complexity, confusion, and (rarely) misuse of data behind the current Litany of approaching environmental Armageddon. But this is not a comforting or reassuring read. Nor is it a bible for lackeys and do-nothings. Lomborg uses the same figures everyone else uses, from national governments to the Kyoto summit to Greenpeace. Rarely have the raw data been discussed in such detail: their history, how they are calculated, their strengths, and their weaknesses. Lomborg argues persuasively that our sense of approaching human and environmental disaster is an artefact of the valid work of modern scientific, environmental and media institutions. There is, he asserts, no one to blame for our growing sense of despair, but everything to learn. We must learn what real risks are, and what we can do about them. (Kyoto? A very bad idea...) We must prioritise. (30p on the organic basil? Or 30p to buy a child clean water in Sierra Leone?) There is, after all, room for manoeuvre; panic achieves nothing. This is our generation's Silent Spring: a book to rewrite the environmental agenda, and a must-buy for any parent who wonders what kind of world we are leaving for our children.--Simon Ings
Synopsis
The Skeptical Environmentalist challenges widely held beliefs that the environmental situation is getting worse and worse. The author, himself a former member of Greenpeace, is critical of the way in which many environmental organisations make selective and misleading use of the scientific evidence. Using the best available statistical information from internationally recognised research institutes, Bjorn Lomborg systematically examines a range of major environmental problems that feature prominently in headline news across the world. His arguments are presented in non-technical, accessible language and are carefully backed up by over 2500 footnotes allowing readers to check sources for themselves. Concluding that there are more reasons for optimism than pessimism, Bjorn Lomborg stresses the need for clear-headed prioritisation of resources to tackle real, not imagined problems. The Skeptical Environmentalist offers readers a non-partisan stocktaking exercise that serves as a useful corrective to the more alarmist accounts favoured by campaign groups and the media.

Back to me...


they (greenpeace) filmed the edge of a glacier breaking apart and falling into the water and made us all feel guilty...turns out the thing was growing faster than usual due to cooler conditions in the region and this point in the ocean is where it naturally broke off anyway, now that is not unbiased reporting; why didn't they say that?

Turns out the predictions for future global temperatures are are/were taken from a global computer model (GCM), which was designed in the 60's and has now been proven, at best, to be wholly unaccurate and grossly exaggerated in it's predictions.

THe latest from scientists is that the sun has been much over looked in it's effect on global temoperatures. It has been studied by using tree rings that show that there has been warm spells on and off for thousands of years and that is exactly what is happening right now. See attached article.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/56456.stm

Scientists drilled ice out from the Arctic relating to the ice age times and found that the level of carbon dioxidefound in the ice was much much greater than the levels today and it has been also shown that carbon dioxide promotes vegetation growth (therefore a roll on effect for nature) and it could actually cool the OVERALL earth temperature.

I think it is fair to say that the campaigners and media are scare-mongering us all into feeling so guilty about turning a light on or a car engine that it is becoming obsessive.

Don't you ever smell a rat?

Andrew

Andrew, it's worth mentioning that Lomberg's book was slated by the greenhouse lobby and Lomberg was accused of scientific dishonesty. Talk about shooting the messenger! He was later cleared of any dishonesty (by Danish ministry of science? Something like that, but I'd have to find links to get the story exactly right), with a vague suggestion that those who had accused him of being dishonest were possibly being a little economical with the facts themselves. Dirty tricks and smear campaigns like this are one of the reasons I turned from supporter to sceptic. Seems to me that if the science was as settled as we are so often told then the sort of stuff Lomberg was on the receiving end of wouldn't be necessary. Smear campaigns just suggest there's a hole in the boat and they're bailing like mad. Strangely reminiscent of "speed kills" really.

Funny thing about the 70's. Other than remembering how badly dressed we all were I also recall a lot of people telling us that another ice age was only a few decades away. Well, there was a period of mild cooling up till the mid 70's, and just after that changed, surprise surprise we start hearing about global warming. I'm sure that tenure and research grants are nothing to do with this.

Computer models. Aside from the current difficulty in forecasting 5 days ahead, much less a century, we should also remember that many of the models struggle to correctly predict what should be happening right now. Feed 'em with past observed data, and if they were any good they should be able to match current observations. Trouble is that doesn't happen much. The IPCC have begun to recognise this. To begin with they were "predictions", then "projections" and more recently "storylines". Are they perhaps losing faith in their own models?

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In the early 1980s there was a spell of severe winters, worse than anything since 1963, which tended to reinforce the "global cooling" view.

Regards,

Peter

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Yes - in view of the bus thing - most definitely! Ironically - they hail this as measure to cut traffic! Or at least this was the blurb in the media!

Cannot see how! And they have certainly not sold idea of making us pay excessive amount for school bus service to us - when we can do the job more cheaply and more efficiently - albeit with some inconvenience to ourselves and workloads! Wildy and self will be rejigging our work hours to get the kittens to school ourselves in nice warm comfy "Catmobiles!" as opposed to draughty buses with dodgy suspension. However, we may off-load kitten carting duty to eldest who will be learning how to drive soon!

We try our best to help the planet! But it is swings and roundabouts as there is always an opportunity cost somewhere which undermines the whole process!

Come on then Papaumau - leader of a rip-off Britain site - what do you make of my bus versus comfy car dilemma - given that latter will cost great deal less! (Do not make that much as top deranged petrolheaded doc! NHS and all that! )