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Following advice from members of this forum I have joined the IAM. My first assessed run said it was very safe. I have just had my first lesson from my observer. The main conclusion is that I am "too safe" because I am too slow, i.e. not making adequate progress, and therefore frustrating other drivers. This is obviously why I am the subject of reckless overtaking manoeuvres by "press-on" drivers, two of which occurred on a country road this morning before my lesson.
I have been trying too hard to anticipate the behaviour of other drivers and thus avoid an accident.
I will work on driving up to the speed limit having due regard to the conditions, but still not exceeding it. :)


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Following advice from members of this forum I have joined the IAM. My first assessed run said it was very safe. I have just had my first lesson from my observer. The main conclusion is that I am "too safe" because I am too slow, i.e. not making adequate progress, and therefore frustrating other drivers. This is obviously why I am the subject of reckless overtaking manoeuvres by "press-on" drivers, two of which occurred on a country road this morning before my lesson.


You need to quicken up to speed limit. Do you drive 5-10mph below? You'd probably fail normal test for this as well. It is not treating limit as target speed to drive at or close to this limit. Nor is it dangerous to do so.

Your frustrated drivers may end up have to exceed speed limit to pass you and return to lane and give you adequate space and consideration.

Moving with traffic conditions flowing at say 28-34 mph in a 30 mph zone (usually the speeds they flow at when they not us on the road! :lol: ) is perfectly safe and perfectly acceptable. Driving at 20-25 mph is not and will earn you my attention :wink:


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I have been trying too hard to anticipate the behaviour of other drivers and thus avoid an accident.
I will work on driving up to the speed limit having due regard to the conditions, but still not exceeding it. :)


One thing the IAM will teach you is COAST skills or OAP as RoadCraft call it. As you know - COAST is merely an extension to clarify the OAP in Road Craft. :wink:

We have been through it before. Concentrating on the road (courteously and considerately :wink: , observing the traffic and anticipating their intention leads you to interact safely witht the traffic and allow space and time to react.

There is a series of posts I made in the "Improving Driving forum" based on my notes from my Hendon training. This may help you as well. :wink:

Also.. I am one of the Durham IAM examiners.... :lol: If you are unlucky :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

But don't panic.. I am a nice guy really! :lol: At least I like to think I am.... :shock:

But best of luck and I am delighted to hear you have taken the plunge. I am sure you will be fine and make progress in every sense of the word! :lol:

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In Gear - thanks for your encouragement.
You're right - I have been driving around 5 mph below the limit. Treating speed limits as targets is a pretty emotive issue amongst cyclists in general and I have been influenced by this in recent years. Time we talked about what is sensible as well as safe, instead.
On thinking about my past driving behaviour I have come to the conclusion that I have being trying too hard to avoid potential collision situations and to not upset others (a family problem! :( ) The end result is upsetting following drivers by getting in the way so that's not sensible.
BTW I drive a lot in France and French drivers are not slow to tell you what they think of you holding them up by gestures, hooting and cutting you up! :evil:
I have tried already since my lesson to be more assertive on the road and the reactions of other drivers indicate a positive result for all parties.
I am glad I was able to recognise that I was a problem and needed to do something about it .


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I hope you won't think it condescending if I congratulate you on your honesty, your desire to improve and your willingness to share your experience with the rest of us. Sincerely and humbly - well done.


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In Gear - thanks for your encouragement.
You're right - I have been driving around 5 mph below the limit. Treating speed limits as targets is a pretty emotive issue amongst cyclists in general and I have been influenced by this in recent years. Time we talked about what is sensible as well as safe, instead.


Agree - we can see things subjectively - especially if cut up by a numpty driver on the bike.

No secret that after Wildy :neko: fell victim to a dying driver and a cousin was killed after a defective hit him... my brothers and I became the scourge of the average motorist... we pulled everyone moving at one point in 1991...:yikes: :oops: :oops:

But ... to remain professional and objective we had to get a grip on ourselves.


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On thinking about my past driving behaviour I have come to the conclusion that I have being trying too hard to avoid potential collision situations and to not upset others (a family problem! :( ) The end result is upsetting following drivers by getting in the way so that's not sensible.


True. But you've taken the right step and I am sure you will be fine. I shall look out for a new guy at IAM meets ... perhaps you may get a drive out with me at some point.
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All you need is confidence - and you can drive at a speed limit and still be courteous to cyclists. The IAM will give you a good grounding in OAP/COAST skills.

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BTW I drive a lot in France and French drivers are not slow to tell you what they think of you holding them up by gestures, hooting and cutting you up! :evil:


The French ... :roll: Mad Doc was telling me tfrom his recent trip abraod that they have no idea what red as in traffic light means. :roll: :shock:

He found they were better behaved on the motorway ...but in town... :shock:


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I have tried already since my lesson to be more assertive on the road and the reactions of other drivers indicate a positive result for all parties.
I am glad I was able to recognise that I was a problem and needed to do something about it .


Practice everything you learn from IAM and read RoadCraft and the IAM book "How to become an Advanced Motorist".

Plus DSA "Driving - essential skills" is also worth a read through and "Know Your Traffic Signs" - also worthy of space in the book case.

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I have to take a couple of friends from Darlington to Newcastle Airport for 12.00 tomorrow, so if you see a Skoda Octavia, T863PAJ, on the A1(M) perhaps you'd like to pull me over for a chat? :D


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I have to take a couple of friends from Darlington to Newcastle Airport for 12.00 tomorrow, so if you see a Skoda Octavia, T863PAJ, on the A1(M) perhaps you'd like to pull me over for a chat? :D


We shall keep a look out for you! :wink: Don't be afraid to ask advice from any contact in the local IAM. And come to all our fun days. This is where you really learn how to drive :lol: .

Must dash now.. got choir practice...

Have been known to sing the acid lecture in the past! :shock:

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Must dash now.. got choir practice...


"When constabulary duty's to be done.....?"


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Must dash now.. got choir practice...


"When constabulary duty's to be done.....?"


:lol:

He has a good voice though!

PS Cyclist - Best of luck. Glad you have decided to do IAM. You will enjoy it and really enjoy driving and cycling as a result.

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"When constabulary duty's to be done.....?"

But what about "His capacity for innocent enjoyment...." :roll:
I would'nt want anyone to feel left out!

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A Cyclist wrote:
. . .IAM. My first assessed run said it was very safe. . . . my observer. The main conclusion is that I am "too safe" because I am too slow, i.e. not making adequate progress,

I will work on driving up to the speed limit having due regard to the conditions, but still not exceeding it. :)


Part of the 'problem' is the IAM's expectations, there is a 'test' and to pass you have to fit their criteria, ie 'making progress'.

In Gear can probably elaborate on this?

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I have just had my first lesson from my observer.


Hope not! To give 'lessons' your Obs would have to be an ADI!

Pedantic point, perhaps, but they shouldn't be teaching you.


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Must dash now.. got choir practice...


"When constabulary duty's to be done.....?"

But what about "His capacity for innocent enjoyment...." :roll:
I would'nt want anyone to feel left out!



:rotfl:

Had a good sing song last night.... we did a Madness medley for fun ....you know "Baggy Trousers" and "When I'm Driving in My car"

Did my version of "Lord won't you give me A Mercedes Benz" as well for good measure... that was when we clown around after the serious classic stuff... usually when we get to the pub afterwards.... :lol: Only I change all the words .... :o

And NO... get the wife to come and fetch me afterwards....

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. . .IAM. My first assessed run said it was very safe. . . . my observer. The main conclusion is that I am "too safe" because I am too slow, i.e. not making adequate progress,

I will work on driving up to the speed limit having due regard to the conditions, but still not exceeding it. :)


Part of the 'problem' is the IAM's expectations, there is a 'test' and to pass you have to fit their criteria, ie 'making progress'.

In Gear can probably elaborate on this?


We look for a lot of different things. Normal test is about 40 miles or so and we go on motorways (if possible), fast dual carriageways, urban raods, narrow country lanes :shock: , residential streets :shock:

Basically -- I am looking to see if you can use your car in a steady, brass tacks manner. I do not want slow speeds, fast speed or excessive signalling. I just want normal, practical, matter-of-fact, no nonsense driving. :twisted:

I want to see evidence of due regard for weather condtions, obesrvation of speed limits (and this means driving in acordance with them and not excessively under nor excessively over. can cope with 2 mph below to 4 mph above.... that is normal driving. I want to see a cruise at the legal limit - nice nrisk no-nonsense driving. I want to check you can park safely, make a hill start without stalling or shaking me to death :shock:

I want a nice smooth ride... which will not make me motion sick. :shock:

I do not give trick questions (save those for my lads! :twisted: ) but will check your observation poweres by asking spot questions as to whether you saw the ball beneath the parked car in the residential road or the fence near the play park.

I will look for awareness of driving plans, positioning, smooth cornering, decisive overtaking, reading road ahead and reacting to hazards, judgement of speed and distance, courtesy, ability to drive with restraint, decisiveness, appreciation of COAST or planned system of driving (same thing :wink: ), use of mirrors (signal manoeuvre), smooth gear change, correct selection of gears, full use of automatic transmission if this is used, and I will look to see if you coast when stopping or slip or ride the clutch.

I will expect a nice smooth progressive braking, and mirror/signal use as appropriate, correct use of handbrake...

I will expect my IAM candidate to be careful not to obstruct other vehicles by driving too slowly, not to take up incorrect position which impedes other road users and will expect correct reaction to traffic conditions - which means keeping up reasonable pace and progress. :wink:

I look for similar signs of competence when doing same with IAM wannabe bikers....

I also expect to see candidates to turn up in nice well maintained, tidy cars as well... :wink:

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I have just had my first lesson from my observer.


Hope not! To give 'lessons' your Obs would have to be an ADI!

Pedantic point, perhaps, but they shouldn't be teaching you.


No... they do not teach - but will pass odd comment to point candidate in right direction to improve after a screening. Some IAM groups do have schemes to advise prospective candidates on preparing for the test...varies. Some - like our group - will give some informal workshop sessions and on-the-road advice sessions to help. Others may choose to find a specific ADI to give formal lessons... but it is very possoble for most thoughtful drivers to pass without specific instruction. Depends on how skilled or confident the individual feels.

Think our cyclist mate will benefit from our drop in sessions .. he might even find me leading one :wink: if he is attending my IAM group. :twisted: I do not think from looking at his posts on here and on lurk elsewhere :twisted: that he has serious faults other than tendency to be underconfident and a bit slower than he should be as result of being perhaps on receiving end from a twazak driver on odd occasions.

We can change that though :twisted:

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I have been out today up the A1 motorway to Newcastle Airport and back via the Military Road to Corbridge and onto the A68. On the motorway I found that driving more confidently, with more use of acceleration and up to 70 mph I felt a lot less intimidated by other drivers than normal. Passing a number of HGVs the bod in the Audi behind with other drivers following him didn't tailgate even though I was doing "only" 70. I might be wrong but it looks like if you drive in a safe but assertive manner most other motorists respect you more. The only problem in this the whole journey was a bloke in a BMW jumping into Lane 3 on the Western bypass at 40 mph without indicating. I can't say I was surprised by it.
I even managed a safe overtake of a BMW 5-series on the A68 without exceeding the limit.
Driving in town I am finding that a more assertive approach is paying dividends and I am looking further up the road and planning my approach to roundabouts a lot better.
I can't believe how crap I had been driving but of course most friends say "why are you doing this - you were fine already".


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Well done mate.

It shows that driving rapidly can be done safely and with consideration. And does not make you a nutter.


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Cyclist - am delighted to read that you had a great drive and put the observer's advice into practice.

Well done. :clap: :clap:

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I do applaud your honesty and openness, please keep the updates coming I am finding them very interesting and enjoyable and I do not mean that in any sort of condescending manner, I consider myself an average driver, at best.

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