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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 14:28 
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Another example of Mobile vans becoming a law unto themselves. This is shocking!

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Carpenter Glen Southern could wind up behind bars after parking perfectly legally next to a police speed camera van.

Mr Southern pulled up next to the van outside Burghfield Village Stores but as he went to go inside he was stopped by an officer. When the 38-year-old, of Little Heath Road, Tilehurst, refused to move his legally parked van he was told he would be reported for obstructing a police officer.

Mr Southern told the Post: “I was about to go into the village stores to talk to a builder who I was going to do some work for.

“The police officer told me to move my van. The car park was full and I explained why I was parked there and I said I didn’t see why I should move my van because I had a perfectly legitimate reason to park there.

“He said I was ‘very sad’ and that he was going to report me for obstructing a police officer in the execution of his duty.

“He also made me produce all my documents at a police station.”

There is a permanent speed enforcement camera about 100 yards up the road from the stores in Reading Road.

Now Mr Southern plans to write to Thames Valley Police to complain that the officer was exceeding his duty.

He said: “He was well over the top. I was completely within my rights to park there.

“There was nowhere else to move my van in the car park at the time.

“I couldn’t see any reason at all why I should move it.”

If police decide to pursue Mr Southern for obstruction, he could end up with a
one-month jail term or a £1,000 fine.

Dan Campsall, communications manager for the Thames Valley Safer Road Partnership which operates the speed camera vans, said: “There has been some mobile enforcement taking place in the village to complement the existing cameras, which, as you are probably aware, are placed in close proximity to schools and care homes for the elderly.

“Enforcement is also taking place there to support the National Reassurance Policing project which, after surveying local residents, identified that speeding motorists were the biggest concern to safety.

“In the specific case, it was a police officer at the site who had obtained permission from the shop owner to carry out enforcement. The gentleman concerned was asked to move his van but was unhelpful to the officer concerned.
“As the case is likely to go to court for obstructing the police officer in the
execution of his duties – I don’t feel I can comment further on the details of the case at this time because of sub judice.”

A Reading Police spokeswoman said: “Mr Southern should make a formal complaint if he feels he has been treated unfairly.”

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The police are starting to make Hitler's Gestapo look like amateurs!


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there is no way he would get done. the officer will not report it if he has any sense. the CPS would throw it straight out :roll:

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Are you sure it would get thrown out?

Surely the pigs in blue could make the 'preventing an officer... blah blah blah' offence stick, especially as us speeders are considered the most heinous criminals.


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Surely it would have helped if the van driver had been co-operative and put his hands up, and said "It's a fair cop" in stead of leaping from his van snarling "You'll never take me alive copper!!!"

The officer must have been expecting to be very busy. How many school children and old folk died while he could not carry out his duties?

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By all accounts there were thousands and thousands maimed and injured by the heinous speedsters who got away with it whilst the officer was otherwise unlawfully distracted....

F*cking power pissed wankers!


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By all accounts there were thousands and thousands maimed and injured by the heinous speedsters who got away with it whilst the officer was otherwise unlawfully distracted....

F*cking power pissed wankers!

Why dont you just say what you mean, instead of dodging round the issue? :roll:

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And the police wonder why the public have no respect for them :roll:

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I actually think the whole story is a sophistry.

The copper stopped the fellow merely to teach him how to goose step, by demonstrating the technique and commenting upon it in a funny German sounding accent.

The whole thing appears to be a simple misunderstanding because it's only normal for the bonehead type of Gestapo Officer to make a full report for Berlin, sorry Reading, for the car driver's particulars to be checked against records.

The threat of having his forehead tattoed or a the image of a yellow van compulsorily sewn to the driver's jacket was something that inadvertently slipped out: These 'helpful' measures of State-Control won't be introduced until we've all had our biometric data taken and recorded so that they can charge us thousands for parking anywhere.


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They park on double yellows here in sunny southend, so by the sma eor simliar token, If I park behind them on the same doubl;e yellows am I exept from parking fines? After all I wouldn't be stopping him nicking folk and if it's safe for hime to park there it should be ok for me too.


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But youre forgetting that they are very special road users, that can drive in a 30 at over 80 without danger to little kiddies that might run out.

We should be worshipping at their feet, but we are not worthy.


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Dan Campsall, communications manager for the Thames Valley Safer Road Partnership which operates the speed camera vans, said: “There has been some mobile enforcement taking place in the village to complement the existing cameras, which, as you are probably aware, are placed in close proximity to schools and care homes for the elderly.


Ahh, that will be the school & care home about 2 miles from the Armco-bordered dual carriageway (with unjustified 40mph limit) that the Talivan was on it's way to....

The officer concerned is a Bully, plain and simple. It will be a travesty if this one even goes to Court...


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A travesty if it goes to court????

With every day that passes something else which is quite outrageous and completely unacceptable rings my bell in a very bad way!!!!

The van driver parking up was obviously the most haenous (spelling??) sort of miscreant and deviant to be found on these islands....

Just think what injustices were going on while that bloke tried to park his van - While at the same time, somewhere in Wales...

That poor, misunderstood child molester had been let out of prison early to move back into the street where he had violated an innocent kiddie; driving the family from their home to get away from him.

Still, there's no money in nicking someone who hasn't got a job and is now unlikely to get one, is there? Provided the bloke doesn't have a car 'or van to go on his future 'pervert missions', then no one (in authority) is likely to want to find out what he's up to or where he's off to. He could of course hound the victm's family around the country.

This country is batchy - there is no other word for it!


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A travesty if it goes to court????

With every day that passes something else which is quite outrageous and completely unacceptable rings my bell in a very bad way!!!!

We've gone totally bonkers! On the BBC website a little earlier today - Devon and Cornwall, where they have about a 3% clear-up rate of burglaries, big problems with drugs and violence etc are going to crack down hard... on tinted car windows!

I'm sure that the burgled burghers of those benighted counties will sleep easier in their beds - knowing that the police authorities have their priorities right.

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http://www.getreading.co.uk/story.asp?intid=13407

Victory after parking next to speed van
5/12/2005

Court: case dropped against workman who refused to move

A carpenter who wound up on the wrong side of the law for refusing to move his legally parked van has had the case against him dropped.

Glen Southern, of Little Heath Road, Tilehurst, called the Evening Post in June after being told by police he was to be reported for obstructing an officer.

The threat came when he refused to shift his white Transit van, which was parked in the car park at the front of Burghfield Village Stores, to give a police speed camera vehicle a better view of the road in Burghfield Common.

Mr Southern was working at the village store providing an estimate for new doors for the owner when he was told by a police officer to move his van from the parking bay.

The 38-year-old said: “I didn’t see why I should move my van because I had a perfectly legitimate reason to park there.”

At the time, there were no alternative parking spaces in the car park and he would have had to park on the busy Reading Road where the police officer was running his speed trap.

After telling his story on the front page of the Evening Post, Mr Southern heard nothing for more than five months until he was called to Reading Magistrates’ Court last week.

Mr Southern arrived at court in his best suit with photographs he had taken of the incident on Wednesday, May 25.

He also had a letter from the owner of the shop confirming he had business with him that day and was parking in the car park with permission.

Mr Southern said: “I showed the prosecuting solicitor my photographs and the letter before the hearing in the morning.

“Then I sat in the court and waited to see what would happen. The prosecutor asked for the case to be withdrawn and that was that.

“I was very pleased, although I think it must have been a waste of taxpayers’ money to take the matter that far.

“You have to wonder whether the police haven’t got better things to do than prosecuting someone just getting on with their job in a perfectly legal way.”

Dan Campsall, communications manager of the Thames Valley Safer Road Partnership, which administers the police speed camera vans, said: “Although we are involved with the speed cameras and the prosecutions connected with speeding, a matter of prosecution for obstructing a police officer would not be our decision.

“That would have to be a matter for the police.”

A spokesman for Thames Valley Police said: “Whether or not a prosecution goes ahead is a matter for the Crown Prosecution Service.”


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what a typically pathetic response from the police "the CPS decide if they will prosecute". How stupid do they think we are.? It is the police who should have never allowed it to go higher in the first place. They must be teaching them all Gestapo tactics now - talk about power crazed, they are getting seriously out of control. Can't catch burglars or real criminals though can they.


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The top priority of most Police forces in the UK is meeting financial targets imposed on them by the Government and God help anyone that stands in their way.

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at a custody suite there is someone from the cps who decides if someone is charged / or bailed subject to futher enquiries

the days of the old custody sgt have gone

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I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments above. However I think that the police (corporately) should be 'tarred with the same brush' as you put it.

I think the best way for common sense and normal service to resume is for a grass roots 'uprising' from the rank and file police officers. Every time a policeman is charged for speeding on duty, or a fireengine done for jumping red lights etc it only goes to highlight the absurdity of the current situation.

I'm of the opinion that we're making an omlette and therefore .......

I'm prepared to have my mind changed however so don't shoot me down in flames.


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