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Judging from this document, he appears to think you are a loon, and that he has better things to do than respond to every whinge you have about speed cameras. Hence the comparsion with NASA and the Flat Earth Society.

You reckon? Here's what The Telegraph had to say:



I apologise for the worst photo in the history of the know universe. In reality, I'm MUCH uglier.

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No problem with those - they do not have have sordid connotation. Am a JC worshipper - but my JC is a different one to one you mention! As for Mansell-wannabe - Swiss family (Wildy's mob) have had professional rally drivers and racers in each generation since 1920s - when one of the family "founder petrolheads" bankrolled early racing car manufacturer.



Like I said - "muesli muncher" is harmless and on par with your alternatives to call me. The S-word is highly inappropriate and because it plays on certain sound-alike word, and it is thus very offensive to use.

Even Grauniad apologised to us over use of this word!

It also makes me unpopular with my elder children because use of this word means I have to make site out of bounds in their play/study area. As said - have unfortunate case in household which I need to give max protection to. Do not want to place site out bounds indefinitely over there - as means my older children may indulge in some cat burglary into my den. They take after their Mama! And they are unfortunately more au fait with computers than we are!



Yup! 'bout right!

Seriously - want to work in hospital system where I do not have to battle with managers over beds, budgets, prescriptions - and where I can account for my survival and death rate without dubious fiddles going on "upstairs"

And I might as well ask for the moon!

"Criminal" it is then .

Julian Clary ? Joseph Conrad ? Jasper Carrott ? John Cleese ?
Surely not Jilly Cooper ?


I offered to stop using it, but you turned me down. I'd also take your complaints about the use of it more seriously if you weren't so keen on insulting people yourself. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

As stated no issue with above names if you want to call me those! (Apart from "Clarkson worshipper" Though - he is fun and entertaining to watch! )

My son - the youngest aged 6 - loves a programme called Max Steel - because the hero's catch phrase is "GOING TURBO!". You have no idea how satisfying it is to hear this pipe up from the back seat when we hit the motorway!



Julian Clary? Conrad? - Enjoy reading his works! Jasper Carrott (and he is not a scam fan either - as far as aware ! ) John Cleese? (Brought up on Python! )

Jilly Cooper Arrgh! Lemme outa here!

My JC? Keep on guessing! He is TOPS!



So quoting great chunks of HC and Ripley is insulting? Not subscribing to your point of view is insulting?

Use of "muesli muncher" (term I have used against myself) is not offensive. Nor was I offended when someone suggested I practise archery on a Sunday! I would - but it interferes with my golf after Church
- and that is blasphemy

As pointed out to you - S-word because of seedy insinuation (and your mob use it with that venomous intent) is highly offensive and unwarranted. If you cannot take the hint - - then you do your side of argument no favours. You simply show yourselves up as blinkered people with a limited IQ who cannot think of any other mildly rebuking term other than one with filth attached to it.

If you had closer knowledge of absolute monstrous behaviour - then I am sure you would understand why I ask you to refrain from that particular term. I do not object to any other rude name you may wish to call me - but that one ..... not gentlemanly - is it!

No, accusing me of being a dangerous driver because I choose to obey the speed limit is insulting. The terms "stoopid", "blinkered", and "limited IQ" are insulting. And expecting other road users to stick rigidly to the Highway Code, while you flaunt the rules is insulting, too. The implication being that cyclists are second-class citizens who aren't allowed to creatively interpret the rules the way that drivers can.

Although you are playing the innocent, it appears (to me) you use the term "muesli muncher" against people who obey speed limits because of its similarity to the term "carpet muncher". You're another petrolhead who believes that driving legally is somehow incompatible with hetrosexuality.

You are the only person on here who has a problem with it.

Hell's teeth - does your paranoia know no bounds?

Oh, no he isn't. Kindly desist before we all join in complaining.

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Hear, hear.

arthurdent

I am the mad guy's cousin - well his wife's actually - but we are family!

Am BiB - and would consider your attitude to be highly aggressive and I would suspect that this aggression is very much aped in your driving style!

Have read the mad lad's response to you - er - where does he call you dangerous for choosing to obey speed limit?


And where does my cousin say he deliberately flaunts the law. No - mate - he is honest bloke. He acknowledges that despite being an excellently safe, calm and courteous driver, he is a human being who may just blip over a posted limit on occasion. The same as we all do. And our worry (even mine as trained trafpol who is in charge of law enforcement, and so on) is that the talivan might just ping us in middle of legal maneouvre which turned just slightly illegal in speed terms because numpty idiot twazak type decides to floor it when we are in point of no-return and non-abort. I - as trafpol - would see it for what it is - digital cop does not - because robobrains are generally thick! (as we all know when computer refuses to respond - no matter how much we click that darned mouse!

And as for cyclists - my blokes turned in 4 yesterday for cycling whilst drunk! They are now accusing my lads for having purge on cyclists. For every crap driver I have pulled - received abuse from - they are nothing compared to the language and aggressive behaviour used by cyclists when pulled. We catch 'em up here - because we are out and about - you know - that quaint old idea - called policing and enforcing the law! Elsewhere - bad drivers and bad cyclists slip through net because of robocop' presence. But then Jolly Roger - that is probably why you like them - lets you get away with breaking the law - no doubt!




Muesli muncher is from our German speakers! Mad Doc had never come across "muesli muncher/fresser", "twazak", "pretzel" or "prat@rse" until he married into our family! Wildcat, Sicko, HBW et al have always used this kind of language back home!




How? What exactly are you saying here? He has not made any suggestion of that sort! What a strange reaction! You sure?

What evidence do you have that Mad Doc drives at OTT speeds on the roads here? He is one careful cool dude on the road! Nothing in his posts that suggests a cavalier attitude! Like myself - he opens up the car in Germany, and on track/circuits./rallies.

Of course - when I am on a "shout" - that is different!



No he is not! I have a big problem with that kind of terminology.

For one - it is against the law to insinuate someone is a kiddy fiddler - because that is how you employ that word. It has been used in that context on the cycling and other" lentilista" type fora. You use it in sense that "children are harmed by speeding drivers" just as they ar harmed by these dregs of society! It is against the law to be deliberately insulting - even on the internet. You are reading insult where there is none - (and thus perhaps proving some small justification for him suggesting you are a little less equipped in top storey) but persisting in using a certain word when the other party has requested you not to. He has invited you to call him other names - but asked you to refrain from one particular one - on basis that it is highly offensive to all here - and not just him!

He has explained to you why he is concerned about this word being used. He has had to place block on his kids' computers as result, but cannot guarantee that this will protect the youngster concerned as child can access at school /lpublic library for example! I know the full story of this - and i can tell you - he is justified to request this from you!

I cannot understand why you do perceive this as unreasonable. By all means - argue with us - call us the odd name in banter - which is what he does, in fact, do - but suggest you lay off that kind of offensive language.

He certainly did not call you blinkered or of low IQ - but rather suggested that someone who persists in using this when requested to use another term could be judged so!

And what about rest of population? What is wrong with learning how to cross roads safely? What is wrong with parents taking responsiblity for their child?

I agree with Mad Moggie that the use of the s-word is inflammatory and wholly inappropriate. It also serves to underplay the seriousness of the activities of the genuine p-word people. I would suggest that anyone using this term is more interested in gratuitous offence than in rational debate.

It is ridiculous to suggest that "muesli-muncher" is remotely equivalent, and it would never have occurred to me that could be taken as a slight on one's sexuality until you mentioned it.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

I don't think anyone here is campaigning against all speed enforcement. The argument is that, given that a speed limit is at best only a very approximate dividing line between safe and dangerous behaviour, enforcement should be targeted according to risk caused rather than being done in an indiscriminate way. Indeed, indiscriminate enforcement by camera overall does not enhance safety as it leads drivers to place an excessive emphasis on numerical speed at the expense of other aspects of safe driving.

The accusation is a logical fallacy.

You assert (without proof) that measure X will improve road safety
I oppose measure X. Therefore I approve of danger on the roads.

It is akin to someone saying that, since the post-Dunblane handgun ban was advanced as a measure to protect children, anyone opposing it must, by definition, have no regard for the welfare of children. It excludes the possibility that someone may genuinely believe that a handgun ban was an inappropriate and maybe even counter-productive way of protecting children.

This kind of argument has been immortalised by Huge on uk.transport as "think of the childr-u-u-u-n-n-n"

It is in fact hijacking the genuine interests of children in the support of often very dubious causes.

And children can of course be over-protected by being metaphorically swaddled in cotton wool.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

First of - thanks guys for supporting me in attempting to kill off the S-word! Much appreciated!




Er - it honestly never occurred to me that you (or anyone else) could interpret this as such. My wife is creasing herself in the adjoining "lair" over this (we have fancy glass door partitioning our studies and she is giggling into her desk - pretending to work here! ) To us - "muesli muncher" means exactly what it says - someone of the veggie -sandalista-lentilista-greeeeny Grauniuad mode. (And given that we do indeed do some greeny type eco-friendly things - WE ARE MUESLI MUNCHERS OURSELVES!! It certainly is never intended to mean anything else -

--- and I am honour bound to apologise to you if you interpreted this in any other sense. I certainly did not intend it to be interpreted in way you apppear to have done so! In fact, it has never ever occurred to either me or my wife that anyone could do so! Given that I treat lurgies which include HIV - errrr! Never ever occurred that you or anyone else would see it in untoward way !

Aw! Heck! We like this phrase as well! Tis harmless - Jolls! Chill out!

It is nowhere near as awful nor as vicious as the S-word - admit it!

Now as PeterE clarifies - no-one is campaigning against total speed enforcement, no-one is saying we should abolish the speed limits either. All we are really campaigning for is a fair deal for all motorists, and better education and training for all road users - which will improve road safety for all! And that should be evident from the other discussions on here and on the pages throughout this informative site. Like everything else - some ideas I agree with - and others I disagree with - and we discuss such things here with Paulie. All this helps us and our hero here in the campaign to get fair deal on traffic law enforcement.

Only person I see here with a problem is a Jolly Inked up Rogered One! who interprets even quotes from HC and Paul Ripley's book as "ill-mannered" (our teacher - used to all kinds - was actually shocked to be described as "ill mannered" when she typed out the HC to you in the Nonny forum) and innuendos where there are none. Yet will persist in using certain word - which has been used in sordid context in the past - and does indeed intend his use of it to cause offence.

I have 4 kids of my own - plus 2 fostered children. I do not wrap these children in cotton wool at all. My eldest has always been "mature for his years", has been through the "try and test us!" stage - and we are currently going through this with the twins. Boy - are we going through this! To date - we have had the secret fags, and general bolshiness. The eldest - car mags under mattress, the second son - girlie mags! The daughter - has been given a trowel (by her mama) with instructions to scrape the layers of make-up off face! My contribution to this little fracas - "Does not exactly enhance anything - princess!" Lentilist or what!?) Kids huh!

The youngest hurtles through the house "going turbo" and now is into Led Zep big time! (He found my old vinyls and is giving his air guitar some!)

History of youngster I am swaddling in a little cotton wool is shocking. It has taken us two years to get this youngster to accept a male in same house - never mind same room! This child is likely to throw major tantrum at slightest - and hence - this site is now out of bounds in our kitten corner. This child knows we are petrolheads who do frequent these sites - and will visit to see what we are up to (or did until we blocked it!) However, cannot guarantee that there will be no access outside kitten corner - and I would be very grateful if you would please refrain from this particular word! Cannot guarantee I will not use "muesli muncher" though - as you know as well as I do - it is harmless And you gotta admit - it's catchy!