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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 15:14 
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Excellent letter in today's Sunday Times from Tony Brooks:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 27,00.html

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Speedy ways to alienate drivers

JASPER GERARD’S interview with Richard Brunstrom, chief constable of North Wales and “speed-camera mad mullah” (71mph and I’ll have you, sunshine, News Review, last week) revealed Brunstrom’s ludicrous attitude and stubborn refusal to accept the findings of the Department for Transport that speeding is not the main factor in more than 80% of fatal and serious road accidents.

The DfT studied the police method of recording accidents over four years and found that excessive speed was not even in the top six contributory factors in accidents — only 12.5% listing excessive speed among the causes. Road fatalities across Britain fell 8% last year but on Brunstrom’s patch they rose 18.4%.

Durham chief constable Paul Garvin has been a consistent, outspoken critic of the obsessive focus on speed and has just one mobile speed camera across his entire patch. Durham’s casualty figures are running more than 40% lower than comparable forces and only 3% of road accidents in his area involved vehicles exceeding the legal speed limit.

The demonisation of speed is a scam creating the impression that by covering the country with speed cameras they are actually doing something for road safety, with the bonus of profiting the camera partnerships and indirectly benefiting Gordon Brown, who has already increased the weekly tax take since assuming office.

It is bad driving, namely lack of concentration (for example, eyes fixed on the speedometer rather than the road), poor anticipation, drink, drugs and fatigue which are the main causes of accidents.

Cameras are not achieving their alleged objective. The answer is education, with re-education for proven bad drivers, and road policing.

Tony Brooks
Ottershaw, Surrey

Superb stuff - totally in agreement with the message of the Safe Speed campaign.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 23:59 
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:lol: :bighand: :D 8-) and general attitude is still:

:gatso1: :gatso2: :gatso3: :thumbsdown: to fixed cams and focus on


:stop: :bib: :surprise:

and acid lectures spelling out

C O A S T :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:01 
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Road fatalities across Britain fell 8% last year but on Brunstrom’s patch they rose 18.4%.


Surprise surprise. One weekend on Anglesey (in July):

Friday: Travelling to B&B near Amlwych. Long queues of slow moving traffic, and witnessed several dangerous overtaking manoeuvres by impatient drivers.

Saturday: Serious head on smash closes the same road for several hours. Half of the island gridlocked. Air ambulance required. (At whose expense?)

Sunday: Yours truly gets busted for doing 35 in a 30 area on a deserted road at Four Mile Bridge.

Of course the increase in fatalities is a "statistical blip" or "due to the good weather" isn't it. :roll:

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Peter,

Following the link you posted, there are in fact three letters. I'd be interested in people's comments on what the second writer said:

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ROADSIDE CASUALTIES: While Brunstrom heads “the filth in the pedestrians’ republic of north Wales” I have to wonder what carefree, car-less utopia Jasper Gerard represents.

He claims to distance himself from Jeremy Clarkson’s misguided advocacy of speed and grudgingly agrees with Brunstrom that “speeding does kill, particularly in built-up areas”. But the rest of the so-called interview is devoted to ridiculing Brunstrom and his stance on a problem that certainly affects us in this area.

Four young people were recently killed on a road in a Carmarthenshire village. The lack of effective speed control had long been a cause of concern to local residents.

We are not amused by Gerard’s oh-so-clever quips and feel that “the pedestrians’ republic” may not be such a bad idea after all. More power to the Brunstrom truncheon.

Jenni Downes,
Swansea


I did think that Jasper Gerard was sailing a little close to the wind with some of the comments he made. No doubt he's now on the shortlist of people to be interviewed for "hate". :lol:

And the third letter:

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CAR CRASH POLICING: I cannot think of a better way to alienate the majority of drivers who believe they are observing the limit, but because of speedometer error may marginally exceed 70mph or whatever. Similarly a downhill stretch of road may cause a temporary minor excess, soon corrected.

Here is the potential for the creation of massive ill-will, without any corresponding contribution to reducing road casualties.

Norman Rothe,
Fleet, Hampshire


Many of Brunstrom's Talivans are carefully positioned (a) where it's hard to spot them and/or (b) so that they can catch people at the bottom of a hill, where their speed is most likely to have drifted up a few mph and/or (c) just after an unexpected - and most likely inappropriate - reduction in the speed limit. And there are no specific advance warnings (blue sign with a camera and the speed limit) - just a forest of old-style black signs every mile or so.

Last time I went to the "pedestrian's republic" I didn't enjoy the drive at all. I was too terrified of creeping above the speed limit - or being rear end shunted by an impatient driver - to get any pleasure out of the driving experience. But at least I didn't get any more points on my licence. :banghead:

Most speedos overread by up to 10%. Mine doesn't. So perhaps insurers should load premiums for people whose speedos are accurate, as they are more likely to be done by speed cameras. :evil:

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The problem with the second letter is that there is a non-sequitor.
"Four young people were recently killed on a road in a Carmarthenshire village. The lack of effective speed control had long been a cause of concern to local residents. "

We do not as yet know the cause of the accident - whether or not they were exceeding the speed limit as it then stood (reports are that it is being looked at) or whether speed was even involved. Without prejudging the inquest, there might have been other factors involved at 10pm on a Wednesday night.


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I hail from carmarthen and know the arae pretty well as you would expect.

Since I can rember (and my father can remember) young lads have been killed on the country roads that are a feature of the county.

There is a culture of reckless and dare I say drunken driving particularly amongst those in the more rural areas. I'm generalising but its not a big exaggeration to say that most lads from the rural towns and villages believe themselves to be rally drivers and accordingly they drive like demons.

Now I know these kids, I've played rugby with them, I've drunk with them and been to school with them. Its attitude, culture and education.

It is not speed its overall driving skill. its the parents its the schools and the police.

People need to get a grip and realise that no ammount of speed enforcement will prevent these tragic accidents that occur, usually in the hours of darkness on dangerous roads!


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