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Hi Ernest;

Yeah Meadows used some contentious research figures in his evidence - which could have constituted his own private opinion, but he also fluffed up the maths: he came up with odds of 1 in 73 million. Whereas even if you use his own 'research' figures and do the maths properly, the odds are actually 1 in 8500. Big difference.

And yes, its true that juries just accept what is said to them by "expert witnesses" but in that particular case, it remains rather shocking that the defence team didn't question it either.

SS, the 400 metre placement of camera units is for a specific reason other than Big Brother (AFAIK) ...... they are placed *entirely* so that the lanes can be monitored during *flash* periods....... basically, on a sh*te day, the cameras can see the entire stretch of motorway (no debris, broken down cars, stranded vehicles etc) and, assuming all is clear, the plan is to start opening the hard shoulder as a fourth lane..... you should be able to verify this by looking at the lay by's - if the layby is set back further than the hard shoulder, then the plan is that the hard shoulder *can* function as a fourth lane - that's why the cameras are so densely clustered - the cameras can determine how emergency services access a crash, or how slow moving traffic in a busy period can escape total gridlock...... the point being that speed won't necessarily kill you, but failing to obey overhead gantry signs (which *will* change much more quickly than we're currently used to, due to decent monitoring of the lanes) just might plough you into an accident/debris site. You might well be looking at 6 licence points for disobeying an overhead gantry sign, (red X's) as opposed to 3 points for a spot of speeding.

Given that Meadows evidence made up most of the case, and the sloppy nature of his submissin and appearance, I was surprised it had even made it to court - although I do think such cases need to be publicly scrutinised, so as to alert possible witnesses to the circumstances.

How do you read the comments I made of police reliance on gadgets? My view is of course coloured by my location - maybe Paul has noticed a similar pattern in the highlands?

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

Hmm, well having watched a copper hide in a hedge and then leap out with his hand held speed gun last week, I'd say I kinda have to agree with you!

As for overstretched police - I don't think that's just a rural thing! Six months ago, a driver hit me, and then drove off in central Liverpool. Although fine, I reported the incident, provided addresses of witnesses who knew the driver and his approximate address, I gave his licence number and a description, and provided all my details all on the same day of the accident. I realise it ain't crime of the century, but it took 4 months before I received a follow up phonecall - at that stage, they still hadn't even checked the licence plate with the DVLA. On the day I reported it, there was ONE WPC manning the entire sub station - trying to deal with my statement, phonecalls, people popping in to sign their bail sheets, enquiries etc etc etc......

Which bothers me a little, as you and I could hazard a guess that the car was either a: stolen or B: totally uninsured and therefore constitutes a big risk to other motorists.

Sadly, I don't have any answers though

Quote from the paper" The aim is to deny criminals the use of the roads.”
So now , it's official .Not only do we pay over the odds to use the roads, pay extortionate amounts for fuel and are the emergency fund when UK LTD runs low on funds, we are now classed as criminals.
Why not just tattoo a number on our foreheads as well so that the Govt can register our movements?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/4455918.stm

police use cctv to track policwomans killer (anpr)

Edit: they cloned your car

then you car pings the anpr. What response are you going to get?
If you are lucky tazar! if not firearms

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Anton , hence the 90 day request -

Forget flue jabs for the police force - this lot couldn't catch a cold in a chinese aviary.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

so these crims didn't think to change either plates or cars along the way. Are they all that stupid?

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so these crims didn't think to change either plates or cars along the way. Are they all that stupid?[/quote]

Well they are crims and the donkeys leading the lions ( ie the top brass in chargeof the hard working PCs) still are in cloud cuckoo land.( or 1850, whichever came first)

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

and what if it is your car they cloned... fire arms at dawn? or in the tube station?

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Anton - didn't add the bit about tongue in cheek.Still think that whilst the PCs are using up to date technology , the bosses are still in the pony and trap era, and if in doubt, "w'll call in Sherlock and Watson"

Now with the number of cameras going up in smoke, forget November the 5th, lets have a national "blow up a Gatso day" - should do away with street lights for a while.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

One thing I want to know about all this ANPR stuff, is there any truth in the rumour that they can only read one line of a square number plate?

I object to having my movements tracked and happen to own a car that can legally run with a square plate, is it worth me spending 16 quid getting a pair of them made?

I just fancey making the "w" rotate so it can read as "m"

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Lum - looks like they're getting funny about any sort of plate --

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewt ... 3919#53919

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

I don't get your point, sorry.

Sorry wrong link - thought i had copied it across -try this one -
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/articl ... 41,00.html


Your fancy number's up


Police are launching a fresh campaign against drivers and motorcyclists with customised numberplates. The growing use of numberplate recognition cameras relies on cars having the correct spacing, size and shape of characters on plates.


Nein shooten messenger

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

There are exceptions to numberplate regulations for imported vehicles (eg. USA or Japan) where the number plate holder is too small or the wrong size. I can legally use a slightly smaller font on a square plate.

The previous owner decided to ignore the number plate holder shape, drill two holes either side and fit a UK one that sort-of covers the gap. I simply want to repair this damage and restore my vehicle to it's correct look.

Of course if it turns out than ANPR can deal with this, I might save myself the 16 quid.