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I am wondering, because the amount of people I see not indicating says to me that they are wasting their money. WHY? Because I'm sure they could get money off their car if they asked not to have the indicator installed.

I think these people would be even less likely to use hand signals than indicators!! And how many of us actually expect to see hand signals from cars these days?

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My rant is that indicating is becoming rare. I was being sarcastic about some drivers having their indicator removed from their car - I wasn't saying replace with a hand signal.

It really pisses me off when people don't indicate - I can manage it on my bike (it's not even FITTED with indicators, so its arm out time) and it really isn't that hard to flip a lever is it?! Following on from mrtd though, its amazing how many people don't understand hand signals, or assume that when I put my hand back on the bar to actually MAKE the meneouver that I've changed my mind

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I nearly had a heart attack the other day, a cyclist made a legal hand signal, as opposed to the two fingered illegal one.

I sometimes think that people are scared to signal, scared they might get it wrong, scared that they may make life easier for another driver.

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You indicate to tell people what you intend to do. If riding or driving on empty road - ist superfluous gesture. Who are you telling? Und if riding bicycle - ist unnecessary lift of hand from handlebar.

It depend on conditions und real COAST drivers do not make thi s kind of error anyway

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Be more true to say having the idea of using an indicator removed from brain.


Surely safer to indicate ALL the time as opposed to as needed - you MIGHT have failed to have spotted some other road user that needed to know your intention - after all the use of an indicator is to give other road users an idea of you intention, not keep them guessing, although leaving them on after use does exactly that.

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I think standards of indication have got worse in the last few years.

I have noticed that a lot of sudden direction changes, especially near roundabouts seem to occur when you can see a pda/satnat/tomtom attached to the windscreen - I wonder if there is a pattern emerging there??

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shouldn't be due to this as they do give you plenty of warning

I tend to signal whether there's anybody about or not - its almost a part of the ritual - check mirror and blindspot, indicate, check again, meneouver. I feel very uncomfortable, like I'm doing something wrong if I don't indicate.

Wildcat - surely the ability to signal is part and parcel of controlling the vehicle - if a cyclist can't take one hand off for a short time to signal, then they really shouldn't be on the road.

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Failing to use the indicators on roundabouts, particularly when turning right is more than annoying to other road users - it's downright dangerous.

Don't expect the Government to educate people though. Remember:

Danger = more accidents = more speed cameras = more money = Good.

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The thing is, I genuinely believe that people don't know when and how to use their indicators correctly, and as a side-effect don't understand the meening when they see a correct signal. Yes there are an awful lot who just don't bother as well, but no education is going to change the stubborn.

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Its another one of those 'indicators' of poor driving!

lane hogging, fog lights on, etc etc equally annoying are those who don't cancel their indicators!

Poor driving and sometimes arrogance!

Especialy when you're trying to pass them on a M/way or D/C

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These are the people I sarcastically call "advanced drivers". Because the IAM teaches not to signal unless there is somebody around to see the signal, I assume the ones who don't signal have had that training (or at least heard about it and want to adopt the advanced driving techniques) and haven't noticed anyone else around!

So which is better, and why:

Always indicate even if you can't see anyone about (as there may be someone in a blind spot?)

or

Only indicate when there is someone else about.



I can't see any reasons not to act as per the former approach, yet in the last post it says:



I don't understand the logic behind this.

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I guess ths IAM argument is that if you're making regular useful observations and therefore are fully aware of your surroundings, then you are able to make a decision NOT to signal based on the fack that you KNOW there is no-one about. You can never be thatt certain though.

Personally handy I would agree with you that there is no harm in indicating to no-one, but if you make the decision not to signal and someone enters the situation who needs to be aware of your intentions then you are causing a hazard.

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I don't always indicate. I prefer to assess the situation at the time to decide whether indicating is actually going to tell anybody anything.

Stop at traffic lights to turn right, indicate, somebody behind, stop indicating, move off, indicate again.

Exit of motorway nobody behind don't indicate. In long left hand turn only lane, don't indicate all the way.

Let conditions and situation dictate actual use of indicators but I have to admit that the number of times I don't use indicators is few and far between.

There is nothing worse than following somebody with an indicator still going or one that has been on for so long you are not sure what they mean it or not.

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And then of course there are the new Vauxhalls with their weird and wonderful indicator stalk operation. Drove one the other week, and it took me at least 100 miles before I was confident I could make the indicators do what I wanted. Just the sort of distraction you don't want.

But I also nearly always indicate. Only when I am absolutely sure that there is nobody else around will I not do so. And that is pretty rare, and I sometimes do so even then.