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I found this online (I have changed the tyres)

However I was supprised that this detail is being stored on line
found by looking at the test history of the MOT cert.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

But is is a good way to check if you're about to buy a 'fixer-upper' that had to be practically re-built for it's last MOT, or worried that the mileage might have been 'adjusted'!

Don't really see a problem with that sort of info being stored somewhere, if anything it only helps when it comes to you selling the vehicle on again as the prospective owner can see exactly what work has been carried out.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

So if the police have access to this info....
they could look up all Idris Francis cars pull them and fail all those advise points.

It was more the shock that this info was all recorded.
Will mot fail certs be used in a court case as background evidence against you even if you fixed everything?

I had an accident many years ago where the made great issue about the fact I was a young driver in a modified car with a small steering wheel.

The small steeering wheel was there because I am 6'2" and wanted to get my knees in the car.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Interesting one, as I would assume the heat would go on the test station that issued the pass, but then it's the drivers responsibility to make sure a vehicle is roadworthy. I would think if it's within a month of a pass being issued and it wasn't a "visible" item(e.g tyre depths) then you could(or at least should) be able to blame the garage.

If it's outside a month who knows...... the garage could claim the fault re-occured I suppose. I'm sure some less reputable establishments fail a car on certain items and charge for them to be fixed but never touch the car. Just one of the reasons I'm taking mine to the council this year, and watching it being done!

The info recorded was not even an unroadworthy pair of tyres. The car passed. It was a pair of roadworthy leagal tyres that may need changing if I covered a significant milage.

I am not sure they have a right to record such info? I see this as storing excessive date unda the data protection act...? It is also out of date data , as I have changed the tyres.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

I think it's valid because it's just a record of what was written on the notes, and a copy would presumbly go back to VOSA anyway.

I could see the police aspect a mile off - in the near future there will be ANPR pings for vehicles on the road without an MOT and vehicles which have recently failed an MOT (even if one is in force). The advisory notes will probably be available as you say, and they could pick up on certain points, although I believe by law not all items can be tested at the roadside, and an inspection can be deferred to a later date.

Gareth

I tried to look this up, but it seems you need some personal info in order to log in. I expect that's how they cover themselves. If anyone could log in and read this, it would definitely be a breach of the DPA since the condition of your car is personal data.

The MOT testers decision is final, and nobody (save possibly for VOSA themselves) can override his or her decision.

If an MOT tester decides that a component on your vehicle is nearing the end of it's lifespan, then he/she is perfectly entitled to record this fact.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

There is possibly a positive thing out of this. If a garagethat specialises in selling tyres and exhausts, always triys it on, advising worn shocks on every MOT they should become apparent to VOSA.

Will any one have the guts to take on these frausdters?

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

certain to go on ANPR database

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now retired

So what if it does???

An "advisory" is just what it says, it is advisable to change the component in question.

It doesn't mean it has to be changed at all, it is just advice based on one persons opinion.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

Maybe advisable at the time of test, but it's something that is likely to need replacing within a year. I'm sure not everyone always checks and replaces when needed. Still it wouldn't be great if it went on ANPR and someone was constanlty being pulled over to check that their brake pads had been replaced that were advisory 6 months ago. Better to fail it in the first place!

You really think that plod is going to pull you over and crawl around on the floor with a torch to check your brake linings?

Given the PC world we live in, even if plod did find you with a defective whatever, it would never stand up in court unless plod could prove he was a certified motor vehicle engineer (and therefore qualified to pass judgement).

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

The data protection act principle is that you should not store un-neccessary data. full stop. If police are ditching records of un-proven sex offenders investigations then why should they store records of me not commiting a crime?

ANPR database or VOSA database should not break these principles.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Sorry Gix - some plod are qualified advanced examiners - and do stop and check and photo etc/etc -

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

One way the Insurance companies can check if you have been lying about your annual mileage...

I wonder what happens when cloned cars show up! Two records for the same reg.

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Speed camera policy Kills

If you drive a Peugeot 307, you could always claim the mileage was due to a computer fault.

Apparently, they were over recording the mileage, so a six mile journey was recorded at 10 miles or so.
Peugeot fixed it with a computer update, but nobody was allowed to take the excess mileage off, because that would be illegal!!

The sooner we adopt the Control Technique system they have in France the better - totally independant of any garage, and carried out under laboratory conditions!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

I know they are out there Botach, but they are very few & far between as the averages go.
If you do get a pull, there is a very high probability that the copper pulling you has no formal training in motor vehicle engineering at all and therefore is in no way qualified (in the eyes of the law) to say whether you are using a defective motor vehicle.


The chassis number is checked as part of the MOT test, so a "clone" will never get through the MOT. A good "ringer" might, but it would have to be good.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

But why would a clone owner put his car through an MOT? The whole point of a clone is that you don't need to bother with such petty details such as MOT, insurance, tax, fines, congestion charges, speed cameras ........