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Not for me. One the one hand we have a best fit theory supported by evidence, and on the other a fairy story.

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Paul Smith
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Only if you have the intellect of a turnip.

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Paul Smith
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I've heard it said that gods and religions are nothing more than primitive man's attempts to communicate with the weather!

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"Politicians are the same the world over... We build bridges where there aren't any rivers." - Nikita Kruschev

On the one hand there is the view that we are the evolution of a species. Just here today and gone tomorrow. Of no significance to the world or the universe. After all mankind will become extinct one day anyway.

On the other hand a view of our relationship with the creation of the universe. Knowing that we exist for a very specific reason and a guaranteed place in everlasting life and a place in eternity.

I know which one I prefer. Call me what you like but I will have everything to look forward to, what ever happens in this life. How about you?

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Speed camera policy Kills

If you read molecules of emotion by candace pert you see that all feelings are created by chemicals so therefore the belief in god or other higher force may just have a chemical reason. Horizon or some other science programme showed that those that have a strong religious belief had a difference in their pitutory gland and other brain differences. They also found that those that thought there were Jesus had even more signs of brain faults ie there was a biological reason for the belief. They suggested a strong zealous belieft was a manifestation of mental illness pretty much.

The belief in god may just have a evolutionary reason eg it makes people more likely to survive through giving them a purpose if they are unable to cope with the idea that we are just here and should make the best of it.

Alternatively just become a buddhist as they believe the universe has no beginning or no end thus side stepping the whole issue

As for people with the intellect of turnips then the biggest circulating daily newspaper is the Sun which says it all....

Actually I envy you that.

But no amount of envy or wishful thinking would change my beliefs. Evidence, on the other hand, might.

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Paul Smith
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I think that evolution is a rather pathetic atempt to explain away our existance without the influence of GOD.

But there you go. We will have to agree to differ.

"make the best of it". Sounds a bit laim. I don't think I will swap my faith for that thank you.

Its funny. Evertime someone take on "evolution" in the press of otherwise they are decended upon by a pack of wolves. Its as if the thought that it may be wrong would be too hard to contemplate. Ah well, we will see.

Think on this, If I am right, I have everything to look forward to and you are screwed.

If you are right we are both screwed, but will never know it.

For me its a win-win situation

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Speed camera policy Kills

the only unfortunate thing is that you'll never know you were wrong.


next time you're having a chat to God could you please ask him why I have an appendix if it's not for evolutionary reasons?

I'm in the evolution "camp". I've always felt that, faced with something you can't explain, the right approach is to take the view that "eventually we will" (and possible do something about finding out), rather than ascribing it to something else which not only can't be explained but can't even be proved to exist.

I respect people who hold sincere beliefs in such things (provided their beliefs are not used to try and tell me how to run my life), but to me, belief in any god is only as logical as believing in Santa, the Easter Bunny, or the Great-Green Arkleseizure.

vestidual tissue. there are many biological features that we do not understand. Some of them are proven to have a function in the development of the fetus. Just because we don't know now, does not mean that we never will. Another failing of science i am afraid.

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Speed camera policy Kills

Never would and never will. its your life (and death)

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Speed camera policy Kills

Why unfortunate? it would not matter by then

You will never know I am right. And it will be you that is missing out

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Speed camera policy Kills

I think the exact reverse ie GOD is there to explain away our existence due to evolution Most believers need their faith to function but those without belief are self contained. I think you can have faith and still believe in evolution though. You just have to have a different starting point. You can believe the universe was created billions of years ago by god and was designed to evolve and adapt to a changing world rather than been created 4000 years ago pretty much as it is now.

Pretty much every Intelligent Design flaw has been pointed out and debunked here:

http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-qa.html

It's very thorough, and an excellent resource.

I'll be honest, I'm amazed we have people who are members here -- where we rely on hard facts to attempt to fight the tide of misinformation thrown at us by those relying on pure belief and emotion -- who can at the same time support something that basically professes "A wizard did it!" to any question that isn't 100% down to the finest detail understood.

Funny thing religion.

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Carl Prescott

In this discussion you all seem to be assuming that evolution and intelligent design are mutually exclusive.
I suspect that BOTH are true. An intelligent designer could have designed the evolution mechanism as part of his design.
Evidence of evolution does not therefore disprove intelligent design, and evidence of intelligent design does not disprove evolution.
The fact is we just don't know if we take an evidence based approach.

Religion however is not based on hard evidence in the same way but is based on faith. So it is wrong to use science as the tool of choice to investigate religion, it is simply the wrong way to go about it.. And it is wrong to use faith as the tool of choice to invesigate Darwinian evolution.

Intelligent design need not have anything at all to do with religion of course.

You could not be more wrong. Why do I need God "to function"?

God is about our place IN ETERNITY.

ETERNITY is something that science is just starting to get a grip of in cosmology terms.

Science has a place but it will never have all the answers and is frequently proved wrong (oops I mean updated).

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Speed camera policy Kills

that makes no sense at all. Surely if you're right then I'll be chatting to this guy

Has anyone else read "The Origin of Species"? It's bloody hard going; there's an entire chapter on pigeons, for starters. Mind you, it makes a lot more sense than the bible

I think people prefer God over Darwin for a number of reasons, chiefly:

1.An inability to comprehend the timescales involved. The remark about species "spontaneously appearing in the last 150 years" is a good example. Selective breeding is merely forced evolution, and look at the changes in some pedigree dogs since Victorian times.

2. Belief in God is very reassuring. Being fairly, oh what the heck, very atheist, people often point out to me, "without religion, what hope is there?" etc., but I fail to see how a desire for something to be true in itself make it any truer. I'd be over the moon if I saw the remotest truth in any religion, but I don't.

Belief in a higher being is very comforting to people who are afraid that this might be all there is to life.

I don't happen to believe there is anything afterwards as there wasn't anything before but that doesn't spoil the time spent enjoying the life I have now.

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