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I found the following on pistonheads



Now this is basically true. The LTI captures video images of us, and that data is legally ours under the data protection act 1998.

The data protection act requires that they provide the information and I have a draft letter somewwhere, which I will post later if people think we could usefully clog up the system.

Just think, each of us must be captured on video almost daily, imagine if the scamera partnerships had to provide us all with our videos. Could be a good way to completely hijack them???

Would need a few willing participants, but could cause huge paperwork trails for them. What do others think. Is it a worthwhile campaign?

Hands in the air

Well here is a sample letter..... Anyone fancy having a go???

Sample letter Data Protection –information recorded on film.

The Data Protection Officer
ORGANISATION ADDRESS HERE

YOUR ADDRESS


DATE

Dear Sir or Madam

My name is…SHORT DESCRIPTION OF YOURSELF AND YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ORGANISATION (eg, full name, employee number, payslip reference, date of accident, description of ongoing dispute etc.).

I am writing to request a video recording of myself to which I am entitled to under section 7(1) of the Data Protection Act 1998 is sent to myself at the above address.

I was present at INSERT LOCATION, DATE, TIME, EVENT ETC.

I was aware that I was being filmed by INSERT LOCATION OF CCTV CAMERA / NAME OF CAMERAPERSON IF YOU ASKED IT, OR WRITE DISCRIPTION, PC NUMBER ETC.

You can identify myself by DISCRIBE YOURSELF OR YOUR CLOTHING, IDENTIFIABLE ACTIONS, ETC.

I would hope that you will be able to comprehensively search all your recordings. However, to assist you with my request I would suggest that you first focus on IF YOU CAN NARROW DOWN THEIR SEARCH THEN DO SO(“I was filmed in the lobby ”, “I was not present after 2PM”, “You visited me at “location & date”…etc).

As you may be aware, the definition of “personal data” under the new Act covers information that is recorded on video and film and if these are recorded on tape by yourselves, I am also entitled to this data.

I would also draw your attention to the CCTV Code of Practice for Data Protection Act (specifically ‘Access by Data Subjects’, points 8 through to 11) which suggests that other individuals who are also caught on film around me should be ‘disguised or blurred’ in line with the Sixth Data Protection Principle, and sets out principles for how this work should be undertaken.

I ENCLOSE A PHOTOCOPY OF MY PASSPORT (OR OTHER IDENTIFICATION) AND A RECENT PHOTOGRAPH OF MYSELF TO AID YOUR IDENTIFICATION AND RECOGNITION OF ME.

I AM ALSO ENCLOSING A CHEQUE FOR £10 PAYABLE TO YOURSELVES WHICH IS THE PRESCRIBED MAXIMUM UNDER THE ACT.*see note below

If you do not normally handle these requests for your organisation, please pass this letter to your Data Protection Officer or another appropriate official.

I understand that under the Act I should be entitled to a response within 40 days and I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience.

Yours faithfully

I drove through a Cambridgeshire Safey Camera speed trap on 3 March. Very tempting to ask for the data except that I think I may have been 3 - 4mph over the limit and it may be best not to provoke them.

well, you can still ask for it even if you weren't speeding....

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Would this not be helpful also in other situations?
I have recived an NIP recently and can honestly say I dont know who the driver is. I have been told that I cant request disclosure of the evidence until I have sent back the NIP (although this isnt what the courts have said, its what folk in forums have said so I may be wrong)

so if you write to the court/polce and ask for the evidence and they refuse, cant we use the data protection act to obtain the evidence?

anyway, back to the topic.

what about organised drive bys?

Some papers print the locations of scamera vans during comming week.
All it needs is for as many people as possible to drive by the talivan "safeley" in convoy at a low speed.

I am sure they would try and nick folk for somthing, but it would be intersting to see exactly what? it certainly wont be speeding
but if we did our homework we could protect ourselves quite well.

If there were one drive by per week in every major city in the country I am sure that it would grab a certain amount of public attention. Even if it didnt get the public attention, all the requests for the videos would soon make it a problem they would have to address.

and the videos would be very amussing

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I've seen this before, it doesn't work for the following reasons:

- There is a caveat in the data protection act saying that the police are not obliged to give any information if they have been collecting information for the detection of crime
- The act also says that if they have reason to believe you are working in collusion (i.e. they get a lot of template letters, or letters asking for the same thing) then they are not required to answer any of the queries
- Even if it works once, the act then says they aren't required to provide the same information within a "reasonable" timescale. So if you ask for one set of information, don't expect to get another one for several years!

I do find it amusing that much of the debate around this forum is about getting the police to do "real" policing then spending ages thinking of ways of wasting their time!

kev said..

I do find it amusing that much of the debate around this forum is about getting the police to do "real" policing then spending ages thinking of ways of wasting their time!

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mmm guess u are right in that.. Perhaps there is a bit of wickedness in all of us..

fact is we dont like speed cams, they dont work, they are run by idots who spin, and we will do (almost ) anything to make sure they are history.. bad idea , bad policy, bad policing..

I am sure some people will eventually take out the word ""almost,"" .When that happens, be it at 2 million 3, million or next years 4 million tickets, then we have a real problem.

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bill

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Only if it exists. If it is not indexed or retriveable, it no longer exists in the system. It may actually exist on a role of film or in a record, but if it can't be looked up, tough luck, it's gone.

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Especially when they are being paid to waste their time by the speeders themselves. I always suspected speeders were masochistic!

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Er, somehow I can't see them as being remotely pro-car.

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