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Here's the current bill:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 006113.pdf

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Paul Smith
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One might wonder what good it may do, what changes therein will have any effect on the average driver and why they are bothering to take parliamentary time for this.

If Tony's bringing in ammendments/new laws, be certain that hidden in the small print is something nasty --like bit about vehicle examiners giving FPN - ONLY GOODS AT MOMENT -but where will that lead - we've got a private force on the motorways, what next a private testinf environment for cars ( thinking alonf lines of something money making like emmissions at roadside)

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

6 points for s172
what about the proposal for thegraduation of points with regard to speeding, i cannot find it

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Page 2 - items 3/4 - fixed penalties and graduated points.try page 6 item 4

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

i'll let the boffins translate and wait for the delegation

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Thats my view - anything Tone does usually says more
in the fine print - someone said somewhere else that there was a provision to force id cards on us as the "new " driving licence in this bill.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

I saw some of the debate on Parliament Tv (Freeview). Ladyman made a very interesting slip. He said they were looking at speed limit signing in camera zones "so that people would know what speed they were supposed to be driving at".

Oh yeah? So the speed limit is a target is it? Can't wait to see it in Hansard...

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

It just goes to show how warped road safety has become.

I was reading a previous post by a police officer, that stated nowdays it was common place for people involved in accidents to exonerate themselves form any blame by saying "i wasn't speeding"!!!!

I think all this focus on speed limits and speed cameras and enforcement has distorted public opinion of what constitues safe driving.

Compliance with speed limits appears to be the number one road safety priority in some individual's minds; any kind of dangerous conduct on the road is absolutely fine provided its not over the speed limit.

As sad as it is I can't help but agree.......

Take note all people intending to drive home from the pub tonight - just make sure you stay within the speed limit and no-one will bat an eye lid.....Certainly no cameras will catch you.

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Bit in one of the dailies to day mentions the graduated points also going up ( mentions 45 in a 30=6) .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Woman today fined £200 for putting on makeup while driving with both hands off the wheel.
This is a fine that speeding often generates, therefore the law sees them as comparable.

If everyone were to drive like this woman then the carnage on the roads would be massive. Most people break the speed limit every day and yet only a small number of accidents are caused by breaking the speed limit.

As T2006 says she probably thought she was doing nothing wrong as she was within the speed limit.

As i said elswhere early tv this morning featured this with experts - main focus was on speed - not that she was doinfg somthin dangerous -even had a presenter in a simulator proving it was dangerous -and a driving instructor waffling on about speed.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

She pretty much does say that -- quote from today's Sun:

"I had my make-up bag open so I reached for my beige eye-shadow and, making sure I was under the 40 mph limit, I opened it up. I had part of my left arm steering the car and holding the make-up pot."

Saw this article on the BBC and in particular found this bit funny:



I love the way they give the idea that speeding is a rare sight on our roads It's not as if every driver you see exceeding the speed limit is being distracted by make-up/radio tuning/mobile phone.

Unbelievable! The implication from the AA (a motoring organisation with you would have hoped a bit more sense) is that going above the speed limit is as dangerous as crossing lanes or going off the road.

How many accidents caused by crossing lanes blindly - let's guess 5% of the time. For going off the road - 100%. For speeding - 0.0001%? And I have probably erred on the cautious side.

I know someone who is a habitual heavy drink driver. He thinks speed cameras are the best thing since sliced bread. "As long as you don't go above the speed limit, they don't care any more". Actual words.

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“For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.” - H. L. Mencken

If his offending is both habitual and heavy, shouldn't you report him to the authorities?

It can be done anonymously via Crimestoppers.

0800 555 111

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

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Because it would be the same as reporting a car theft or a burglary. The Police wouldn't do anything.

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I wouldn't be so sure - if you can say to them "every Saturday night, XXXX drives home from the Dog & Duck in car reg A123XYZ after consuming at least seven pints" then I would expect them to check it out. Maybe the BiBs on here could say what they would do if they received such information and had no suspicions it was a malicious hoax.

Every Christmas the police run "shop a drink driver" hotlines and claim a certain amount of success from them.

Admittedly there would need to be a habitual pattern of offending - it's unlikely you'd be able to get anyone "caught in the act".

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed