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Who in hell would break the limit when they don't feel like it!?! If you break the speed limit, you either break it when you feel like it, or you break it when you don't feel like it! There are no other options, Gixxer.

PS: I suppose you could argue that sometimes you feel like breaking the limit, but you don't break it. Could that be near camera sites, by any chance?

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Might there be a ramping up of detection technology? Why do you say that, what is special about April 2007?

I've been predicting a surge in detection capability for some time. Is there any new technology that you can give us a glimpse of? Anything involving real time tracking, and cars with digital IDs? Do you have the inside guff?

That fool Clarke has finally got his ID card bill through the Lords. Do you think there will be a tightening of systems? I can update my TAX through the Internet now – my insurance is in a computer file at DVLA. My MOT certificate is online. Are these things to be tied into a tight network of information on all drivers and cars?

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No basingwerk, we would like the legal limits to be higher.

How could anyone have the "right to drive faster than the legal limit"?

In my area ALL speed camera sites are NSL.

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You’ve got hold of the wrong end of the stick, Gixxer. There is nothing personal or special about “You” or the “M6 on a good day” in any of this.

The point is that the law says a bloke doing 85mph is just some Joe slobbing out, end of story. He can say ‘but it was clear and dry’ and ‘there was nobody about’, and what have you. But it’s just making excuses. Who knows what was going on in his head, or what the weather was like – life’s too short to deal with all that malarkey. Nobody expects to smash his or her car. They all think it’s OK when they feel like speeding.

There are lots of variables, and that is why the absolute top limit is 70, not 15 or 35 or 50 or 60. We don’t know about all those variables and stuff, so there is an absolute top limit and that’s how it is. Come on Gixxer, stop all this car crap, and take the pledge.

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Except I can only think of one or two of these 30 limits which is justified. Most of them a 40 limit would be better suited. One of them (depending on exactally where the van sits) should probably be NSL.

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Thanks Johnnytheboy - I was waiting for something like that. It's the question that SafeSpeed has never explained. Come on SafeSpeed - try again for me and Johnnytheboy - how could anyone have the "right to drive faster than the legal limit"?



At least you have a coherent position. Let's try that one on SafeSpeed as well - do you want that, SafeSpeed? Come on, out with it, man!

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basingwerk

i am man enough to admit that the speed limits in this country need to be looked at, how it will be done i do not know, residential and NSl need to be looked at differently

as Ziltro has identified Dorest has 67% of its site in 30mph but in Ziltro's opinion they should be 40mph, no doubt some of these roads could be driven at 40mph others maybe 20mph

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Not really. All this tells us is that, in one county, 65% of their sites are in 30mph areas. It doesn't tell us what is going on elsewhere in the UK, NOR does it tell us what is the nature of the road being targetted - is it a wide open urban dual carriageway with an annoying low 30 limit slapped along its entire length, or is it a narrow side street with parked cars both sides, bordered on one side by a childrens playground and a school on the other, where anything much above 10-15mph would be crazy.

If you recall what Brookwood actually said (my emphasis on the latter part of the quote):



Which seems to reflect my experience with regards to the fixed/mobile cam sites in 30 limits around here - I can't think of ANY sites situated in places where I'd be keeping my speed well below 30 anyway due to the nature of the road, they're all located on roads where, in the absence of the camera (or once safely out of its sight) I'd naturally select a speed closer to 40 than 30... Great places to stick a camera if you're looking to catch as many average motorists as possible making safe progress, lousy places to stick a camera if you're looking to catch the genuinely dangerous drivers who would and DO opt to drive down the high hazard density roads at 30+.

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Chris

Yes, I know all about that but you have to be careful what you say - give an inch and they take a mile. Any message like that is interpreted as ‘I know what I am talking about - you are OK to speed – the limits are all wrong’.

You are better off treating SafeSpeeders harshly but consistently – I know that may sound heartless, but it’s a “Tough-Love” situation.

Basically, we want less of this speeding malarkey in our towns, villages and bendy A-roads. If that means a few Clarkson-Clones get pissed off, it’s well worth it.

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Listen, as you obviously feel so strongly about it, why don't you put your money where your mouth is, and as Paul did, give up your cushy job and start your own "Take the Pledge" campaign.
Let's see how many supporters you get.
Or , failing that, crawl back into the hole you came from and stop bothering us.
In case you haven't noticed, we're dealing with real life and death issues here, and your puerile 'stuck record' bleating isn't helping.

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Nope - we want the speed limit to reflect the road properly.

We also want the enforcement to take the whole story into account...

Had some daft woman tailgating me this morning... was on an NSL - twisty and a bad road surface.. pot holes, uneven stretches and subsidence .. even at low speed - you see cars really re-bounding badly. Thus the one NSL where you would not drive NSL ...

Woman was flashing her headlamps and driving right on my rear. Even when I was indicating my intention to turn left - she was on her horn and waving her fists around. I used the smoother road to short cut to where I wanted to go.- and a shop I needed to call at .... and pulled up behind her at some traffic lights - where the same aggression was displayed to another driver. A police officer would have nailed her. I did note that even though her driving was legal because of the guy in front and the flow .. her brake lights still came on at teh speed cam and then the aggression hit again as I observed her sit on the chap's rear...

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Don’t give me that old horseshit – you have decided your case first, then invented your evidence to suit it. It’s arse backwards, and you damn well know it.

I'm helping you sort out your anger management issues here. Perhaps speed cameras are just a proxy for other real problems? Maybe you and SafeSpeed have invented this “struggle” to give meaning to your lives? A sort of “Mein Kampf” for Clarkson-Clones? What a waste of time – take the pledge and join those who have stopped being selfish speed slobs.

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Ours are reliable.

So far so good... not had problems.

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You are comparing them to a Triumph Stag, Moggie - a cardboard Trabant would be reliable in comparison to that!

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Thought this had already been explained to you .. people can drift over.. cambers, polish on surface .. road surface ..they may feel they are complying but be over - gradual increase - they may not discern and Lancs.. - still has a low ping tolerance...

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Even I can’t argue with that, although there is a dichotomy – SafeSpeed’s incoherent position is that the ‘wants the right to go faster than the legal limit’, whereas you and Johnytheboy want to have adjusted limits. Johnytheboy just want to adjust them upwards! I’m more in line with your views. The roads should have rational limits, chosen by a balance of professional opinion and political acceptability.



Should the message we send to young driver be “drive at a safe speed within the limit”, or “they always let you off with it anyway, so go whatever speed you want”. Think about that question Moggie. Think about what message would be sent to drivers if limits were not enforced much at all.



Yes. As a “within the limits” driver, I get that now and again. In the longer term, a kind of Darwinian crash-extinction will tend to wither people with those traits out of the gene pool, but that might take centuries. It would actually happen sooner if we made cars less safe. There is a thread about it somewhere - a spike behind the wheel!

Tailgaters get a straight 5 mph penalty from me, and another one if they get closer still – it’s a sort of “Tough-Love” situation.

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Yeah, but I don’t know what’s worse – breaking the speed limit when you feel like it, or being unconscious of breaking the limit without even knowing whether you feel like it or not!?! How can you trade those choices off?

I’d rather be conscious of NOT breaking the limit whether I feel like it or not. That is the right moral and rational choice, in my view.

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Look here, you little squirt, one of my main motivations for being here is the memory of my mother, and the system which failed her so badly.
If you can't come here and debate the issues with proper arguments and reasoning, do us all a favour and f*** off!

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Not had any breakdowns so far.. the Stag on the other hand ... agree she has a bit of a "temper tantrum" - But usually in a traffic jam.. She gets a bit "heated and tetchy"

Besides - there is a Trabi in our collection....belongs to one of the Swiss.! Lurid shocking pink - he liked the colour...

Reliabilty? It starts... it travels forwards... it's when you try to negotiate a corner .. in fact any turn of the wheel that you realise that this car and road holding are not compatible Will concede the Trabi does not overheat.. it just spluttes and putters ..


Have a post card from Leipzig "Trabis Heartbeat Song " to tune of Heartbeat.. I think.



Look - it's wot it says on me souvenir postcard!



Yep.... and it gets worse

Later that evening - back at the hotel... (it was an old army barracks converted into a hotel..


Apparently the Red Army sold them back to the Germans - who made them into hotels....actually - it was rather nice and well run.. and food (home cooked was superb actually - could not fault the couple who ran it. )

Anyway - they decided to have "in-hotel" entertainment... was sort of like the Andrews sisters, Beverley sisters and Madame Edith from Allo Allo ... with songs from the 40s and 50s era... Wildy thought they looked like elderly girl guides But they actually sang this song.. ye gods!

We were in a village near Wernigerode and Quedlingburg..Places were very quaint and untouched

Hotel entertainment was surreal though...

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