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Yeah - its a shame you don't have an emoticon for "rasping anger", isn't it?

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It's good to see that you have bounced back to your normal self, pogo! It was my mate who got had his hips smashed in - I got off light with a stoved in chest. Listen, I have absolutley no problem with having more coppers to stop and nick people as long as motorists can cough up the dough to pay thier wages.

Simply stated, four cases are



Now we have argued for a zillion years about the gradations of meaning in that table, but speed and quality are both factors, and a programme of speed limits has been laid out to deal with that. Where the limits are wrong, they should be changed, and a process should exist to make that happen. But once set, it's our duty to propagate the programme, by deeds as well as words, and this site has not done that so far. I live in hope that things will change. Once motorists in general pay heed to speed limits when the matter, we can scrap mass enforcement all together. As long as they generally pay little heed, enforcement is practically inevitable, due to politics as much a technical reasons.

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The internet doesn't really give anonymity Jamie, as somebody found out to their dismay earlier on this week


@BW,
I can't be bothered to start quoting, but I (and pretty much everybody else here) want to see appropiate limits being set rather than artificially low limits being imposed and then being screwed by a camera.

Coming home from Portsmouth yesterday, the legal limit for the road I was on was 70mph. However due to the amount of traffic occupying the same space at once, anything over 50mph was starting the push it.

By the same token, if that particular road had been empty then driving along at 80 or even 90mph would not have been considered out of order by anybody given that the road in question was very long, very straight, and very wide.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

If you use the definition of 'speed' that I think you are thinking of using, that table is UTTER rubbish.

What definition of 'speed' are you using?

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

I think that you're wrong. Very wrong...

"Good quality driving" implies matching speed to the conditions, so, to use your example, if "good quality driving at great speed" equates to "low-med danger" it is not "good quality driving".

Equally, "poor quality driving" at any speed equates to "high danger", the only advantage to the poor quality driver of low speed is that it might reduce the impact speed of the inevitable shunt, but as the stats show, the pre-impact speed has very little to do with the outcome.

So, your table needs adjusting to:



QED.

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"Politicians are the same the world over... We build bridges where there aren't any rivers." - Nikita Kruschev

Equally, I would argue that:



...where f can be anything between about 0.25 and 3, as 'posted speed' is as prone to human interpretation as each driver's calculation of 'right speed'

Drawing only the parallel of "four cases" and using the basis of the above as a hypothesis generator, how about this:

back on the chicanes subject ... I came home a different way tonight, through a place called Moss Bank. There is a chicane (2 actually, but one in particular) that has a bus stop slap bang in the middle of it.

Sheer madness.

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Handy - i live in the town Terry (sorry Sir Terry)Wogan ricicules as the only town with a ring road running thtrough the centre of it -NUNEATON. On one very busy junction, we have treafficlights with a right turn, (the sensors were damaged during road works, but not replaced or repeared) -
On one junction , a few hundred yard on we have a bus stop -when the bus stops all following traffic stops too. Imagine the chaos at peak times ----traffic tailing back with bus , traffic tailing back due to faulty lights --

And the council ask why Sir Tery Takes the P

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on