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Why do some appear to want to focus on english and Gramattically correct typing rather than the debate.

Deflecting from any comments that are not in agreement with the

Speed is good, fast high powered cars are good. Law abiding citizens and the police are bad dogma as proposed by the guru mr Smith

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Why not put on speed limiters we have the technology only idiots break the speed limit

Why don't you engage in some of the threads you have already started rather than just keep generating more?

When we address some of the points you have raised you just ignore us and post something else.

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Speed camera policy Kills

Sorry, too many spelling mistakes and gramatical errors - didn't understand a word! In English next time please.

Good point, Gizmo, that's the feeling I get as well. Almost as if she was deliberately trying to be provocative just for the sake of it.

It's like driving, paying attention to the small detail is more important than paying attention to the big dial in front of you.

You should take some of your own advice, slow down and check what you post before hitting the submit button.

If what you posted made sense and offered some valid points then I don't think anyone would give a toss regarding the grammar.
And to set a thread without responding to any questions only to set another is hardly a debate now is it?
Go away for a few days study previous posts and educate yourself because to be honest mate you are coming across as a right knob!
The spectrum of people and knowledge on this forum will blow you away.
Might I also suggest the spell checker toolbar from Google or just copy and paste in Word and check it there before posting.

What did you expect?
As you come in here, all guns blazing and speaking at us, sprouting forth a whole lot of simplistic soundbites which we've all heard thousands of times, it seems obvious that you're not interested in debate.
Debate the issues sensible and you'll get sensible debate. Otherwise you're just going to get as good as you give.

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Perhaps you should contact one of us to take you out for a spin sometime?

Then you may get a clue as to the drift of this site...

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Actually on this occasion I totally agree with " the Sensible Majority" (TSM). Some people on here are way up their own arses on the spelling thing and if thats the best they can add to the debate they should keep their keyboards closed.

Look spelling, grammar and punctuation are fine for the class room but if you can read the post and get the message that was intended you waste valuable internet bandwidth making a fuss over a few minor errors.

I'd recommend that those that are tempted into marking others posts actually give some thought to the value they bring to the debate we are here to stimulate as well as the damage they bring to our chances of actually getting taken seriously.

Now having sided with TSM on that point it is also frustrating that when a debate is started the person who started it bogs off as soon as it gets difficult. This behaviour does make TSM look like a troll but that is his issue not ours, we can but debate, you never know he may actually be genuinely interested in our point of view but not very skillful at articulating that.

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Former Military Police Officer and accident investigator

I would tend to disagree with your comments.

If an individual is trolling then its appropriate to make humour out of the situation. We are not talking about the occasional spelling mistake here - come on! A crime against the English language would be a more suitable description.


I certainly wouldn't describe intelligent and valuable members of this forum as being "up their own arses" as you have done - i think many would find this insulting. I would describe these members as responding in an appropriate manor to a troll or someone who has a blatent disregard for forum etiquet and the English language. Either way i consider their behaviour appropriate.

The title of the thread is Lets all discuss spelling and standard English what do you expect?

My view on the subject is more along the lines of if someone's spelling, grammar, phrasing and general coherence is extremely slapdash, why should I consider that they are any more rigorous in their logical / thought processes?

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Your the investigator I'm sure you must have worked that out as not to be the case.
He's taking the piss.

Interestingly enough I thought that until the "why motorcycles thread" where, following a bit of debate TSM did conceed that M/C may actually offer more than he thought.

Of course following several pages of debate we reverted to slagging off his spelling, which I guess was one of the reasons he started this thread and I agreed with him that it adds little.

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Former Military Police Officer and accident investigator

It is of course you perogotive to disagree with me.

However if an individual is trolling is it really reasonable behaviour to make humour out of their grammar, spelling etc? Actually I think that it is far more responsible to not feed trolls at all.

I haven't actually described the intelligent and valuable members of this forum as being up their arses, I actually personally think that the people who have focussed on the spelling grammar etc in the debate threads (not this one) are the people who generally contribute little to the subject under debate, I would hardly describe this behaviour as either valuable or intelligent. I think it up to every individual to assess the value they bring to the debate, if for certain individuals their value is that of spelling monitor they should rethink their involvement.

We should encourage our opponents to join us in debate, we have the truth on our side, we have the data to support our assertions and ultimately we will win this fight. We do nothing for our cause by focussing on triviality.

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Former Military Police Officer and accident investigator

It would be wise that if you are going to make a post on this thread that you would have ensured that you at least get it right yourself.

Not nice is it

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Former Military Police Officer and accident investigator

If he had shown that he was genuinely interested in debate then nobody would have commented on his spelling or grammar.
To be fair, we only started picking on his spelling etc long afterwards.

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Give me a break - it's after midnight and I've had a rough day.

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Only when ideology, prejudice and dogma are set aside does the truth emerge - Kepler

I get a fair amount of stick because I really cannot spell. Or rather ist because I spell a couple of words how I say them...

One poster (not the OP - he ist "new boy" ) on here made some rather nasty unprovoked attack on this. But then this poster made point of targetting - there have been a few rather strange posts from the person und I leave at that - It may be unfair und he may not realise this p0- we think und hope. Ist just how it comes across - as was little need for that.

Mad Doc und self decide we will not read these any more anyway - as it started to annoy us - und we may end up being very rude as result. So we will not reply nor acknowledge anything he or she posts cos if we do not read - then we cannot possibly comment


However, I have to read the OP's posts out aloud to understand what he try to say. I am relieved someone's English ist worse than mine.

We all make typos. Mad Doc make them.. I make them .. IG make them .. the notorious internet troll makes them ..

I used to use spell check. I find I corrected every other word. It was a bit too soul destroying so I stopped.

I find it irritating though when people use a small letter for "I". I can understand if foreign. I spell "ich .. je... io" with small letter. In my own language - we think nouns are of greatest importance so we accord them each a capital Letter.

You have no idea how confusing it gets..

As little girl growing up in the Swiss Alps - my Papa insisted we offer the neighbouring Kanton the courtesy of speaking in their lingo. School taught in High German. We use Schwyzerdutz as spoken form. Not the same. Swiss gave it credibility by establishing a lexicon, grammar und dictionary - ist now "recognised".

German Language Standards then confounded by some rules due to internet. We keep the capital letter for nouns - but we add hyphen to our long words - we join a lot together to make new ones. High German also follow Swiss spelling of the double "s" No longer "StraBe" but "Strasse" for street for example - along with a truck load of new spelling rules. It make life difficult ..

But in our school in Appenzell - all lessons in German. (Und in French in Geneva and Italian in Lugano). Each school taught High German, French und Italian from the primary stages - we were introduced to English in our secondaries.. as here currently. Though the UK government ist to have the children taught a second lingo at age 7 und option of dropping in Y9 as they do at moment. I think this ist one initiative I do support really. I do not see anything wrong in this one.

As the youngest in the family - everyone spoke to me in German - even my English Mama. I was sassy in most lessons at school und rarely remained in the English class for very long. I did not like the teacher. She was far too grumpy Und she could not teach spelling either

Perhaps as well she kept going off on one at me because she seemed to think my having an English Mama made me somehow "fluent" in English.

I have thus been careful with my own kittens upbringing. I speak to them from their birth in German only. Ted uses English only. When they are toddling - I then introduce some basic French to them as well - it seem to work. The eldest are fully tri-lingual und fluent. They speak und write much better than I do too. They do read aloud sometimes with a German accent because I thought I was "helping" when they were about three or four.

Ist how you teach to be bi-lingual naturally. But this ist an oral/aural skill und not necessarily written for some.

Being born in a country by the way does not mean you speak the lingo.. You acquire from parents first und then from the environment in which you live. You speak with thaat regional accent und dialect. You are educated in the Standard form und you look up that form to enable communication with others.

Ist why trying to spell to comply with most of that standard help communication. We can live with the odd typo ...(und hopefully with my own little fingering problem ) - but we struggle if too many words are not correct.

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