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Or the "same speed " everywhere driver - followed one tonight( or rather watched one) - 30 limit - he pulled away from me - i was sitting on 28/9 as area is honeypot, specialy with new talibike.He then shot down to an area with parked cars on both sides, near a chippie pulled smartly away , (bulldozing his way through) from me as i dropped to about 15 due to narrow gap/approaching traffic and folk from chippie going to cars.


And then we wonder why the locals in such an area are easy meat for the tactics of the SCP.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

My father always told me 'let the fast man through'. This was in the days before the NSL, of course.

Many times I have wanted to drive along slowly, (such as coming back from the garden centre), so proceed along at around 40-50, (far less then the 60 limit), but if anybody comes up behind, I always pull across as soon as possible, indicate left and slow down to let them pass if they want to. It is my understanding this is the traditional way to indicate 'Please overtake me'.

There is NO minimum speed limit, it is all down to courtesy to others, in my view.

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Good manners maketh a good motorist

sorry, but all things considred, if a driver is not comfatable driving at a speed near the limit, or not capable the should NOT be driving at all.

What difference an 80 year old with slowed perception and reaction time to a drunk/drugged driver.

Please think before posting.

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Why not put on speed limiters we have the technology only idiots break the speed limit

There are many circumstances where it may be reasonable for someone to drive well below the limit on a particular stretch of road. If they're holding others up then they should do their best to let them pass.


But surely each driver should be judged on his/her merits.

It seems that ageism is the last acceptable prejudice.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

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Hello TSM. I think, but am not certain, this is the first time I've responded to any of your posts. I read (almost) everything on the board, try to answer genuine questions where I think I can help, and generally offer a different perspective to propositions/statements that may otherwise be seen with closed minds. I tend to not get drawn in to what I see as posting styles that are heated and often filled with emotion. To do so in my experience is typically counterporductive.

I often feel uncomfortably restrained by the speed limit. However, it is also very common for me to find my free travelling speed substantially below the posted limit. This does not mean the limit posted is wrong, nor does it, I hope, mean that I should not be driving. I can think of a myriad of possible reasons for me not feeling comfortable driving at or near the limit. Assuming for the moment it is a dry road and traffic is light, some reasons might be that I have just experienced a strange feeling in the car (noise, shudder, change in performance of one of the controls..). Until I'm confident I know what that is, and have diagnosed it sufficiently I will want to proceed with greater caution, which may well inxlude a speed of travel way below the posted limit. I may have a passenger who is feeling particularly queasy and wants the window down, which in turn may make progress at a posted limit uncomfortable due to buffetting. As stated above, there may be some delicate botanic cargo that it is desireable to keep g-forces low. Whilst this should not in itself mean a reduction in free travel speed, there may be something a mile or so ahead that makes it more comfortable on balance to maintain a lower speed of travel. Then there may be a hazard density that I perceive to be high, to the extent that I would be uncomfortable proceeding at 30 mph, despite other motorists proceeding at 40 (in a 40 limit). They may well have better powers of observation than me - I take my hat off to them. On the other hand, they may not have observed the increased hazard density for which I decided to go slower - and of course got away with it thanks to none of the potential hazards materialising. then there is grip. Weather, microclimate... many things can make the road feel less than ideal. In such circumstances, my comfortable safe speed may be substantially lower than the limit, whereas others may happily - and for the most part safely, proceed at or close to the posted limit. Again, I take my hat off to their capability... or is it that they are foolhardy? I do not know.



This I think is fairly easy. Not only do reactions get slower with alcohol, but one's self perception of capability gets better. with the pensioner, they typically recognise their reduced capability and compensate for it by coming slower, leaving better gaps, looking both ways three or four times instead of once or twice.. Drunks will typically believe they can do it even better. Bang.

I can't believe you wrote that!

And spelled it right!

Again the ironically named "the sensible majority" comes out with a comment that is completely oblivious to safe driving and is thus not sensible; let alone the view of the "majority".

Perhaps a name change would be appropriate?

Hang on...

So, "the sensible majority", as best I understand this remark, a driver is unsafe if they are not comfortable driving at a speed near the limit.

But you've made it abundantly clear in the past that driving even a fraction over the limit is unsafe.

(Apart from that time you got done coming out of Nottingham, that was an honest mistake. )

So your prescription for safe driving is that an adequately skilled driver will attempt to drive as close as possible to the speed limit without actually exceeding it.

I'm going to try that on the way to work tomorrow. if I live, I'll tell you how it went.

Don't forget to stop off at Milliways for breakfast though...



...balancing your speed on a knife-edge at all times must surely count as one of your six impossible things for the day

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Chris

Oh yeah what a great idea. I seem to remember Mosis saying the same thing: you should always be AT the speed limit.


You would go at 20 down here?


This one's a 60 limit.

I think I'll pass on that.

There is a NSL SC near me where it is nigh on impossible to get anywhere above 40. Very narrow bendy road, (just wide enough for 2 cars to pass), and often requires travelling below 30, sometimes even 20. On the short straight sections a brief burst up to 40 is just about possible.

TSM, you sound like the most dangerous, safety-unconcious driver I've ever encountered. What exactly is it you believe in? Driving exactly AT the speed limit on cruise control? Sorry to disappoint you, but roads in Britian vary substantially from the straight, wide American Freeways. To quote Basil Fawlty, "I'm sorry if the road wasn't wide enough, a lot of the English cars have steering wheels"

However TSM, like most other members here, I don't actually think you truly believe yourself what you're saying. You're only saying it because yo u know it's annoying and hence creates some kind of personal amusement for yourself. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in doing so try answering the many unanswered questions on these forums directed to yourself.

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Why can't we just use Common Sense?

Sadly it's about the only way to make good progress and keep your licence these days.

I'm not saying its the correct way to drive and I don't believe that driving above the limit is unsafe. It's only unsafe if you want to keep your licence, money and job.