Safe Speed Forums

At about 5am today I made a post on the Cumbria S Camera Partnership forum with the following content:

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Better late than never!

The consultation officially closed on Friday, but I have agreed with the DfT that they will accept submissions that arrive on Monday morning at the latest.

Our submission template is ready.

See page: www.safespeed.org.uk/consultation.html

The template is here: www.safespeed.org.uk/template001.doc

You can download the template and, if you agree with our conclusions, add your details to the included template letter and send it in less than five minutes.

I urge everyone to make a submission. Every single one will count.

Send your completed submission to: mike.fishman@dft.gsi.gov.uk

The DfT email regarding late submission is here:
www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9208
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But Steve Callaghan deleted the post (apparently) and posted the following cryptic message:

http://www.cumbriasafetycameras.org/for ... wtopic=758

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I have removed one topic this morning as I deemed it as being for the express purposes of using this forum as a portal to their own forum.

Please refrain from doing so.

Thank you.
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I honestly don't know what to make of it. What the hell does: "using this forum as a portal" mean? I think it translates to: "I'm looking for an excuse".

What do you make of it?

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

I think he believes that you were using your post to promote your own site by having direct links to it from within your message.

Do you rate that view as "reasonable"?

It seems to me that I was legitimately encouraging folk to respond to an official consultation process and offering materials and background information in support of the idea.

It follows from my view that Steve's actions amount to "political interference", and I don't rate that as reasonable at all. We're talking about suppression of views aren't we?

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Not within the context of the whole message no I don't.



Yep. I think you were 'gagged' as the press like to call it.

This subject is now being discussed on the CSCP forum.

I've challenged Steve to define the rule he invented and used. He seems to be struggling. See:

http://www.cumbriasafetycameras.org/for ... wtopic=759

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Well that's brought the true opinions out of the woodwork hasn't it?

It's seems pretty clear that Steve has got a problem with Mr Paul Smith, in that he seems to have completely personalised SafeSpeec v CSCP as P. Smith v S. Callaghan.

As far as I can see, this is the first time there's ever been a clear case of censorship on the CSCP forum. Is this a barometer of how pear-shaped the whole thing is getting?

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CSCP Latin for beginners...
Ticketo ergo sum : I scam therefore I am!

Amazing. The mark of a true professional. (:?:)

Are you all seeing this:
http://www.cumbriasafetycameras.org/for ... wtopic=759 ?

For anyone that doesn't know, Steve is the manager of the Cumbria S Camera Partnership.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Well he hasn't thought this rule through very well. He has basically banned Paul from posting links to SafeSpeed and no-one else. As such, I have updated my signature with a link to SafeSpeed since doing so doesn't breach his new rule.

So, he now either has to outright state that he doesn't want links to ANY webpages, or that he specifically doesn't want links to SafeSpeed.

So which is it itschampionman? Uh, I mean, Steve?

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Carl Prescott

I noticed. Quite amusing.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

You ought to join up with Ian la Frenais - he couldn't do better than this - I'm laughing like a drain here

Topped with Carl's masterstroke....

Just read the scamera post. Steve has done more for our cause, with his small-mindedness, than Paul could have dreamed of!

But remember that CSCP's favorite Steveo is not going to talk himself out of a job!

He is a puppet that is driven by money. If in a bizarre twist the CSCP became the Anti-CSCP then he would argue with all his might that cameras were bad.

The world needs people with no mind nor thoughts of their own otherwise what else would the government be doing?

Same goes for the villagers that go on "anti-speeding" crusades and get cameras put up. Who are the most caught people then? The locals who argue "well we know where its safe to speed so we shouldnt be caught"...

The world is a really really stupid place and sometimes one does wonder how evolution alone has got us here.