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take your pick:

this is obviously the solution because

a) having number plates stops motorists from breaking the law.

b) we need to make it as difficult as possible for people, especially children, to take up cycling.

c) nobody has ever considered cloning plates on cars so why would they do it for bikes?


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having number plates stops motorists from breaking the law.


It makes it a lot harder to get away with it! EG Speed cameras.

I watched a PCSO in Bournemouth trying to apprehend people cycling through a pedestrian area. Many were just cycling away.


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johnsher wrote:
take your pick:

this is obviously the solution because

a) having number plates stops motorists from breaking the law.

b) we need to make it as difficult as possible for people, especially children, to take up cycling.

c) nobody has ever considered cloning plates on cars so why would they do it for bikes?
:rotfl: And then they'll introduce cashcams in cycle lanes for travelling over 10mph...

Where will this persecution end? *sigh*

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Johnnytheboy wrote:
It makes it a lot harder to get away with it! EG Speed cameras.

correction, it makes it a lot harder for the otherwise law-abiding motorist to get away with it.


Ken reckons he's going to zap all these cyclists with cameras, so just how big are these numberplates going to have to be and where am I supposed to mount it?


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Wow pavement camrea's

If we put number plates on people imagine........................................................................

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Many cyclists don't bother with bike lights when riding around at night yet these are a genuine safety feature - wtf makes Ken think he can get them to wear plates?

I'm guessing the plates would have to be mounted sideways, making them useless, otherwise the resulting drag would be quite big.....


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smeggy wrote:
otherwise the resulting drag would be quite big.....


Image trying to cycle backwards on a windy day :lol:

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If there's no one to stop cyclists riding on pavements or through red lights, who's going to stop cyclists with false or missing registration marks?

Do this lot think anything through?

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Do this lot think anything through?


No.

They are instant microwaveable solutions for modern thinking :(


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Dixie wrote:
smeggy wrote:
otherwise the resulting drag would be quite big.....


Image trying to cycle backwards on a windy day :lol:


Perhaps they could take the form of a sail.


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Do this lot think anything through?
Ummmm, LA/Council thinking things through?

:rotfl:

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Rigpig wrote:
......instant microwaveable solutions........

:rotfl:

Another point: who would fund this madness? Could this be the first step to a road tax on cyclists? If so, in many cases the cost of administration and manufacturing/installation of tamperproof plates would outstrip the value of the bikes they are to be installed on......


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smeggy wrote:
Rigpig wrote:
......instant microwaveable solutions........

:rotfl:

Another point: who would fund this madness? Could this be the first step to a road tax on cyclists? If so, in many cases the cost of administration and manufacturing/installation of tamperproof plates would outstrip the value of the bikes they are to be installed on......


Probably more like the first step to road charging on cyclists. Can just picture it now - every bicycle with a black-box recorder strapped to the frame being spied upon by satellite.

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Make them all buy ay congestion xzone " yellow jersey" with big numbers on...



Taxi drivers could keep score of the ones they cut up. :lol:

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There's an article in the Times Online about this. I borrowed the picture from the Newspaper.com

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Cycle numberplate plan to catch lawless riders
By Nicola Woolcock

CYCLISTS in London could be made to fit numberplates to their bikes under plans being drawn up by Ken Livingstone, the capital’s mayor.

All bicycles would be registered so that riders breaking the law, by cycling on pavements or going through red lights, could be caught on traffic cameras. Mr Livingstone is also investigating a possible ban on jaywalking, which is illegal in some countries.

Speaking on the London radio station LBC yesterday, Mr Livingstone said: “I think, I’m now persuaded, we should actually say that bikes and their owners should be registered.

“There should be a numberplate on the back so that the ones breaking the law, we can get them off the cameras. It’s the only way you can do it.”

Mr Livingstone was responding to a listener’s question about what the mayor would do to stop cyclists using the capital’s pavements.

He added: “You’ve got to have legislation, but I think, most likely we’ll look at putting up what’s called a private Bill and I think I can get the London boroughs — all of them, irrespective of parties — to most likely go along with that and have a proper vehicle/bicycle registration.”

Asked if that meant licence plates for bicycles, he said: “Yes, so you can catch the ones — the ones that are obeying the law, it makes no difference — but the ones who are going over red lights, driving on pavements, you get ’em.”

When asked about banning jaywalking — whereby people cross the road other than at zebra crossings or when a “green man” sign is shown — he said: “In America jaywalking is illegal, but in America you have this situation that at virtually every busy junction there is a zebra crossing and as the lights change the pedestrian has priority and only when they’ve crossed can then the cars turn.

“Now when John Redwood [the Conservative frontbencher] recently came up with some transport policies, that was the only one that I thought we should look at, and we are looking at that.

“But if you are going to ban jaywalking you’re going to have to have a lot more actual formal pedestrian crossings.”

Concern has increased over the behaviour of cyclists because of the rising number of bicycles on the roads in London.

Figures released last month showed that the number of people cycling in the capital had risen by 50 per cent in the past five years. Between 1993 and 2003 the level remained almost unchanged, but there are now 450,000 cycle trips in London every day.

It is thought that concerns about pollution, overcrowded and expensive public transport and the wish to keep fit have inspired the boom. Fear among commuters about using buses and the Underground after the July 7 terrorist attacks is also believed to be a factor.

Transport for London claims that investment in the London Cycle Network will mean that there will be 560 miles of cycle routes across London by 2010. Its annual expenditure on cycling has risen to £24 million for 2006-07.

Reflecting the interest in cycling, London will be hosting the start of the Tour de France next year, with an opening ceremony in Trafalgar Square.

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Probably more like the first step to road charging on cyclists. Can just picture it now - every bicycle with a black-box recorder strapped to the frame being spied upon by satellite.


Nope, just a RFID reader near every traffic light. Everything automatic, including the fines....its the future :x

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Concern has increased over the behaviour of cyclists because of the rising number of bicycles on the roads in London.
First they hike up fuel costs, then the congestion charge to keep people OUT of their cars, bombings & shooting inncocent people in the head....now wanting to catch cyclists bumping up a pavement. Pretty soon we'll all be microchipped like a dog, with ID scanners on every street corner, and questioned WHY did we take the long way to the shop instead of the most direct route.....

If only we were French - They may be [groundskeeper willy mode] Cheese eatin' surrender monkeys [/groundskeeper willy mode] but they know a revolutionary revolt when they see one and can riot at the drop of an EU fish quota :twisted: Ah, well. C'est la vie.


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On the front page, it seems like a good idea, but, for all the reasons aforementioned, balderdash and piffle.

This is simply headline grabbing by a complete numpty, obviously, he has run out of his regular stupid ideas.

However, something does need to be done about some cyclists, they are not just a danger to themselves, but to every other road user and pavement user, and something needs to be done soon.

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First they came for the 4X4's!

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