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Posted this on the PH site yesterday as well.

Brian Lashley in "Manchester Evening News" (Friday - 15/10/04) reports:

Speed cameras are to be introduced at 31 "blackspots" across Manchester. They are part of a campaign to cut road deaths in the city.

The Manchester Pratnership and GMP are introducing red light and mobile speed traps at areas of "community concern"

The campaign was launched at the junction of Kingsway and Fog Lane, Burnage where allegedly there have been 7 collisions and one death over past three years.

GMP's road safety officer Insp Brian Wood said: "The whole idea of the speed limit is for people's safety"

Councillor Richard Cowell (planning) said: "These sites are not selected at random. They have been identified as sites where there have been unacceptable numbers of collisions"

Burnage Councillor Joh cameron said: "The cameras are not there to make money. They are there to protect the public at large from drivers!"


Amanda Weaver of Withington whose son Michael was killed by a hit and run driver backs the campaign.

"Losing my son was devastating. Sticking to the speed limit means the difference between life and death. Drivers need to slow down and these cameras will make a difference"

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Whilst I - and no doubt all contributors to this forum - have every sympathy for this poor lady - who speaks in mix of anger and grief - and doubtlessly brainwashed by supposedly well meaning Victim Support groups.....

Michael Weaver featured in the BBC "Real Story" regarding hit and runs. He was murdered by a thug in a throwaway car. The sort who could not care less about choosing a safe speed, safe and considerate driving and would not give a toss about a speed camera because it could bring him to justice in his untaxed car and unregistered car anyway.

Even a BiB may have had his /her work cut out bringing this person to justice as well if spotted on patrol.

A speed camera would not have saved this boy.

Increased traffic police and proper deterrents for this kind of crime would appear to be of more use.

But heck -the mentality appears to be:


"speed camera - that'll fix it!"

AND IT WILL NOT!

Courtesy of the "M.E.N" - mobile sites for all who visit Manchester are:

Mobile traps:

A34 Southbound - Upper Brook Street/Anson Road:Fernclough Road Southbound - Harpurhey

A5145 Edge Lane North/Southwestbound (Cromwell Road/Wilbraham Road)

A665 Cheetham Hill Road - North/Soutbound (Broughton Street/Camarvon Street)

A662 Ashton New Road - East/Westbound (Turner Street/Ronald Street)

St Mary's Road Northwest/Southeast bound (Anfield Road/Teddington Road)

A6 Stockport Road - North/South - (Crowcroft Park)

B5166 Sale Road East/West (Button Lane/Wythenshawe Road)

Alexandra Road Southbound (Moss Lane/Claremont Road)

Errwood Road - Southbound (Avon Road/ Fair Oak Road)

[b] Red Light Cams [b]

A6104 Victoria Avenue/A664 Rochdale Road

A34 Upper Brook Street/Grafton Street

A34 Oxford Road/Hulme Street/Charles Street

A34 Grosvenor Street/B5117 Oxford Road/Cavendish Street

A34 Princess Street/B6469 Whitworth Street

A6 Stockport Road/A6010 Dickenson Road/Stanley Grove

A34 Kingsway/Green End Road

B5117 Wilmslow Road/A6010 Dickenson Road/Mauldeth Road West/Nell Lane

A56 Great Ducie Street/A6042 New Bridge Street

A57 Hyde Road/B6167 Reddish Lane

A5103 Princess Road/Nell Lane

A5103 Princess Road/Barlow Road

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From what I recall of Manchester (off top of my head) - A34 red lights and most of these red lights - around University area - bars and student digs. (Oxford Road Dickenson - Levenshulme area? Also impoverished to some extent)

Great Ducie - town centre?

Whitworth Street ? near Uni and close to town centre and China Town.

Not sure about the mobile ones..

So actually no new fixed speedcams at all.

While no fan of speedcams in general it's always struck me that a few could be usefully employed in urban areas within Manchester rather than on 50-was-70 arterial roads on the outskirts.

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True - judging off the actual road names - they sound urban residential to me rather than dual carriageways. But would agree - appear to be more "useful" than scamming on fast roads..if that is case ......

But even so - no scam mobile or fixed -would protect anyone from thug in a throwaway car .....

Know the Cheetham Hill bit and the Princess Street/Whitworth Road/Charles Street as they are in that triangle between Owens, Umist and the old Polytech - near the Minshull Street Mag Court...and the A5103 is that one which leads to Manchester from M56 and have used it when en route between Wythenshawe, the Alex, Christies and the Uni Med School on very odd occasions The planned mobile appears to be in addition to the sneaky ones behind the sign post at the first lights after leaving M56 though....

LET ME JUST ADD THAT SPEED CAMERAS ARE CRIMINALISING DRIVERS THAT ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THERE LICENCE.
THERE IS NO WAY A BOX ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD IS GOING TO STOP ANYBODY FROM BEING KNOCKED DOWN IF THEY WANDER AROUND IN THE ROAD.
BESIDES YOU DONT NEED A DRIVING LICENCE TO DRIVE A CAR.
THERE ARE PLENTY CAR THIEVES, CRIMINALS, ADDICTS, BANNED DRIVERS WHO REALLY DONT CARE ABOUT SPEED CAMERAS.
WHO ARE MORE LIKLEY TO BE INVOLVED IN A ROAD KILL.

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