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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 16:53 
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/5277958.stm

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The rate has been coming down and the emphasis has been about speed.

"But in Gwent last year there were 47 deaths and the police consider only three of those to be related to speed - the rest is driver error.


Whole article about random eyesight tests in South Wales[/quote]

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I said it once (on PH) and I'll say it again:

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"But in Gwent last year there were 47 deaths and the police consider only three of those to be related to speed - the rest is driver error.

Two things jump out at me:

1) "related to" doesn't mean is caused by or was a contributor
2) "speed" = inappropriate speed within the limit as well as exceeding the speed limit


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Thought it would be worth posting the text, in case it gets changed, or deleted.
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Police pilot motorists' eye tests

BBC News, Wednesday, 23 August 2006

Drivers can go without an eye test from 17 until they are 70.

Some of the first roadside eye tests in the UK have been carried out on motorists in south Wales.

Some 300 drivers were stopped for a two-minute check near Abergavenny. Officials said five would have failed the eyesight part of the driving test.

Drivers were asked to read four number plates at different distances to see if their eyesight was good enough.

New drivers' sight is checked when they sit their test, but it does not need to be examined again until they are 70.

Driver Mike Wiltshire "I haven't had my eyes checked for about 10 years now but this has really made me think about it"

There are concerns that many motorists are driving with poor sight which is leading to accidents, deaths and serious injuries.

Drivers taking part in the test on the A4041 were asked to read four number plates placed at 10m, 15m, 20m (the minimum required) and 25m.

If the motorist was unable to read the closest number plate as part of the survey, police said they would not prosecute, but stopped them from driving home and ask them to sit an eye test.

Within an hour of the tests being carried out, one driver was found to be unable to read the closest number plate, but after putting on his glasses he could see the furthest.

One who took part, Mike Wiltshire of Cardiff, said: "I think this is a very good idea.

"I haven't had my eyes checked for about 10 years now but this has really made me think about it."

Richard Ross, of Cwmbran, said: "Taking part in this was no problem for me. There are a number of people around who have difficulty seeing but don't think about it when they are on the road."

The drivers were asked to read strategically placed number plates

Gwent Police, the National Public Health Service and Gwent Healthcare Trust arranged to carry out the survey.

Chris Potter, public health director of Newport Local Health Board, said: "What we want to do is find out how big a problem this is.

"At the moment we don't have any solid information about if this is a problem or not. "The government has a target to reduce deaths and serious injuries (on the roads) by 10% by 2010.

We all know that normal eyesight changes with time, and there are some eye diseases that gradually affect our ability to see clearly

Dr Anuradha, ophthalmologist "The rate has been coming down and the emphasis has been about speed.

"But in Gwent last year there were 47 deaths and the police consider only three of those to be related to speed - the rest is driver error.

"And we don't know if some of these are because of poor sight. We just want to know if bad eyesight is a problem on the roads or not."

Richard Ross welcomed the test but worried about other drivers

Dr Anuradha, an ophthalmologist at Newport's Royal Gwent Hospital, said: "Although drivers have their vision tested as part of the driving test, it is not checked again until the driver is 70.

"We all know that normal eyesight changes with time, and there are some eye diseases that gradually affect our ability to see clearly.

"Although many people do have regular eye checks, we currently have no information on the numbers of drivers whose eyesight does not meet the required standard."

Inspector Glyn Fernquest of Gwent Police said: "Although driving without the required vision is an offence which can carry a fine of up to £1,000 and three penalty points, our aim in this survey is to gain a better understanding of the likely size of the problem, and to encourage regular vision checks."


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Ahh, but the reason there are only 3 speeding related deaths in Gwent is because the camera program has been so successful that speed related deaths are non-existant in Gwent any more. The camers need to stay in order to ensure that this number does not rise.



Note: That is not at all what I believe, but this likely to be the kind of "explanation" they will spew if pulled up on this figure.


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Ahh, but the reason there are only 3 speeding related deaths in Gwent is because the camera program has been so successful that speed related deaths are non-existant in Gwent any more. The camers need to stay in order to ensure that this number does not rise.



Note: That is not at all what I believe, but this likely to be the kind of "explanation" they will spew if pulled up on this figure.


Bit like the old joke about the guy who always chuckes his sandwiches out of the window of the train as it goes through Brookwood!

"Why"

"To keep the Elephants away"

"There arnt any elephants"

"Well, proves it works then!"

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one driver was found to be unable to read the closest number plate, but after putting on his glasses he could see the furthest.


So, he's sufficiently short-sighted to have a pair of glasses anyway, but he didn't think it was, perhaps, a good idea to actually be wearing them whilst driving :shock: :? :roll:

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Ahh, but the reason there are only 3 speeding related deaths in Gwent is because the camera program has been so successful that speed related deaths are non-existant in Gwent any more. The camers need to stay in order to ensure that this number does not rise.


If the camera program has been successful then we should see a correspondingly large dropoff rate in the number of NIPs sent out per safety camera since the first cameras in the area were installed. Is this the case?


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"Of course not, we are always installing more cameras, making more roads safer for you and your children, consequentially the number is bound to go up"

Note: I will be in Devils Advoacte Mode for the rest of this thread unless stated otherwise.


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Lum wrote:
"Of course not, we are always installing more cameras, making more roads safer for you and your children, consequentially the number is bound to go up"


I did say the rate PER camera, not the total rate of convictions.


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Well no, traffic levels have risen dramatically since the camera programme started. I don't have exact figures to hand, but we are currently conducting a study into traffic levels at camera sites, the results of which will be out towards the end of 2007


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one driver was found to be unable to read the closest number plate, but after putting on his glasses he could see the furthest.


So, he's sufficiently short-sighted to have a pair of glasses anyway, but he didn't think it was, perhaps, a good idea to actually be wearing them whilst driving :shock: :? :roll:

I was always under the impression that knowingly driving with uncorrected vision is an offence.

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