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Has anyone conducted a survey into whether aggressive SCPs deter tourism from areas?

The reason I ask is that a friend of mine was up in the Lake District looking at a holiday cottage that a large group of us were planning to rent for New Year celebrations when he was pinged for 35 in a 30 by a mobile Cumbria van - middle of nowhere, apparently (he'll probably be on Pepipoo as I type getting advice on this). The result is that he has since taken the view "stuff the Lake District if that's how they treat their visitors". We are now going to Cornwall instead. Shame really as I would have liked to have seen the Lake District.

I'm sure he's not the only person to have taken this type of decision. I for one like to visit as much of Britain as possible, but I would never dream of going to Wales for example due to the reputation a certain Mr Brunstrom has given it. Again, a shame as I would like to see some of Wales. I guess I'll just have to wait until this camera fad passes.

It very nearly cost Wales millions last year after the scameras actively targeted the "between stage routes" of the Rally GB. They hit the spectators, drivers and support crews alike and nearly caused the cancellation of this years event. The new guidlines book should prevent this in future as it will be the police, policing rather than fleecing these routes in future. North Wales is a no go area for many people now. There was an article on it a while back somewhere that suggested Brunstrum had cost far more than the revenue he raised for no real benifit in safety. Could be true but he did raise one ****load of cash.

I've heard a fair bit of anecdotal evidence that people have been deterred from visting the Derbyshire Peak District because of the spread of 50 limits on rural main roads and intensive speed enforcement by Derbyshire Police, particularly targeted at bikers.

Matlock Bath is a well-known meeting point for bikers at weekends - but I'd like to bet the numbers are well down from what they used to be, and local businesses are seeing a drop in takings.

I certainly visit the Peak District myself less than I used to, partly because I am made to feel unwelcome. I was recently invited to participate in a questionnaire about the potential impact of road user charging in the Upper Derwent Valley (obviously I thought it would be a bad idea) and made this point to the researcher.

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I have little doubt that our local scamerati here in Cumbria will be yet another thing hitting the tourism industry, though it would be difficult to quantify it as there are so many other restrictive things going on here at the moment too, such as the forthcoming speed limit on Windermere, and bans on off-road driving and so on.

I've heard a number of people speak negatively about visiting Cumbria because of the tricks the "Gatso Gestapo" get up to. Putting their vans on the M6 overbridges is a master stroke - how many people "just passing by" Cumbria will think "if that's how they target the motorways, goodness knows what the rest of the County is like!"?

I bought my last car in Llandudno earlier this year, and I found the experience of travelling there very un-nerving. Earlier this year when perusing the brochures we'd quite fancied visiting the area for a family holiday this year, but in the end we went to Scarborough instead, as I flatly refused to spend a week driving around wondering how many NIPs would be on the doorstep when I got home!

Static GATSOs are bad enough, but talivans really annoy me. Whether I'm speeding or not, I can't be doing with being spied upon in this dark, Orwellian way. A local got done a few months ago for giving a camera van the "V" sign as he drove past, and I can fully sympathise with his emotions - it's exactly how they make me feel.

I love living here, it's a beautiful corner of the country, but they and their like make me feel ashamed.

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Spent a week in N.Wales and a week in Cumbria this year. Two areas I have actively avoided for at least the last five years. Some of the most nerve wracking driving I have ever done. Luckily we had the sunny week in Wales and were staying right on the beach so the car didn't get a lot of use. In Cumbria I mainly stuck to the single track roads. On the main roads (in Cumbria) I have never seen so many people sticking to the speed limit (which makes their statistics look even worse). And what was the main subject of conversation in the local? Those damn Talivans of course.

I know. I said ages ago that speeding is more or less abolished in north Wales now, thanks to Brunstom. It has taken time for people to adjust, but now they are getting with the programme. Also, less tourists mean we have the beaches and moutains to ourselves, and clear roads as well. It can't get better than that!

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No to mention the effect that a drop in tourism will have on the local economy, and all the associated knock-on effects that unemployment leads to.

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Great! A slow, but uncongested drive to the dole office in your rusty banger. What could be better than that?

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BW obviously wants to have poor-quality, unsafe roads and high unemployment. Is he some kind of masochist?

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The only reason we went to Wales was because they had the cheapest accomodation of any of the main tourist areas in the UK.

No doubt a result of the forces of economics, too much supply for the demand.

It's Ok though, once the tourism dies up we can turn it into one big wind farm. That'll get the locals dancing in the street.