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Every mobile phone I have owned that has MP3 support (and I have owned three) has come with headphones of some kind. The last two came with stereo headphones. Also they sound a hell of a lot better than the phone's main speaker.

Don't blame the technology, blame the users.

-I give up-Can't some not feel comfrotable with things now days?
I have never said it was wrong.



I teach science in an all boys school, I have to discuss all the ins and outs so to speak.



She had to lift her jumper.
Also as an 18/19 year old (7 years ago), it is a bit of a shock, I she had asked, I more than likely said"okay fine" and looked out of the window or something.




I do like that particular line, it goes with my love of italian cars.

sicnce 1992 as a percentage of the amount of cars on the road itailan cars are the most photoed by scams

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It just seems like a very peculiar thing for anyone to feel uncomfortable about. Would you still feel uncomfortable if it happened today or was it a product of youth over experience? What would you tell your students to do if they were sitting on a train and a woman sitting opposite started breastfeeding?

I have to say that the baby's need to be fed overrides your desire not to see it, and I certainly don't think she should need to ask for your permission first. Up here it's against the law to prevent, or attempt to prevent, a woman from breastfeeding in public. Why do we even need a law like that? Because of views like yours, I suspect.

IMO, breastfeeding in public isn't like smoking, listening to music or any of the other examples in this thread. You can choose to not look at the mother, but you can't turn your ears off or stop breathing until the smoker goes away.

Edit: it's somewhat ironic that we're arguing about this in a thread about 'bare necessities'. What bare necessities does the infant have, other than food, clothing and shelter? You seem to want the first of those to be subservient to your prudish sensibilities.

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Ach! Mrs M. I think it was because of the jumper .. not the wisest thing to wear if breastfeeding or needing to feed kitten in public. My children - especially the older ones - all seen me breastfeeding at home. Und as said - I kept it discreet und wore clothes which made task easier for me to do so as well.. Just undo the top couple of buttons und job done discreetly with no nonsense.

Have son now aged 19 years. He ist medical student - so ist no prude .. und our second son does like a certain page in a certain newspaper Ist "Bild" und others like it. He always turns to that first! He ist 17 years und has a twin sister. So no prude either. But I think both our boys would be just a little "wus-like und a bit taken aback" if woman ripped off her jumper on a train und fed the baby. ( I hope she had a frilly lace trimmed silky camisole und matching bra though. ) Ist case really not of feeding the baby - but being aware that a young lad may just feel a bit "gauche or awkward" when confronted with the reality of what breasts are really for und seeing something which a young laddish mind - just maturing out of boyhood in reality - has been used to looking at in certain newspapers und magazines - usually enhanced with a booby job und associated with that "cor - blimey ... look at them tits! Gerr-em-out - Kiss me quick!" culture of something naughty but nice!

After all ree.t ...










It would be an interesting debate in the class in which birds und bees are discussed.


I shall ask our 17 year old son what he would do in such a scenario.

It would certainly be a good topic as breasts are not just something which we use to enhance our femininity but functional in child rearing.



I think there was one case in England.. Kent last year whereby the woman was breastfeeding on a bench on a main road. The policeman gave her a caution for it. Was an outcry ..

But again - I think we are back to "discretion" und no need to ask permission to breastfeed - but I think for both Mama und everyone else - we do so in ladylike fashion - to keep discretion und retain that mystique of our "icon of all things sassy"



True - ist a case though of being thoughtful of how someone else perceives something. Ist a bit like the current media debate over the post 9/11 fashion to wear a full facial veil. Oddly enough - I read an article in the paper by a Muslim woman who will wear a veil to "protect her modesty" - yet will argue her right to breast feed in public - declaring this to be the norm back in her own country" There were some rather disturbing reasons given by some of these women as to why they decide to wear this garment - und ist more political than religious assuming the paper quoted them accurately. But this ist another issue und should be a separate thread as ist likely to get as heated as the one up in the SPL forum!




Ja - but we do have "Cow und Gate/Gerber etc" too! Not all Mamas breastfeed und we even have some who are not taught this skill properly either. It ist a skill .. und some of us produce more milk than others und some just cannot produce enough to feed und so have to use the "Cow und Gate etc" as supplemental too. But as said .. I think ist easier on all if Mama wear something which enable her to feed the baby easily und without fuss or need to strip off a jumper, feel a woman und perhaps too - a sassy lady, und spare her own blushes as well as the 18 year old boy sat opposite her on a train.

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I have no problem with women who wish to breast feed in public - but I do feel sorry for Ree.t about the flak he is getting, because WE were not there to see it.

Most women I know who or who I have seen have been better prepared than this, and worn something with easy access in mind.
Having to lift a jumper seems to indicate she was prepared to expose a good deal more than was strictly necessary.
Maybe the train was late, and she had intended to make it to a station or something?
Anyhow, lay off ree.t, he does not deserve it!


My wife gets quite upset when I ask people if they have met my first wife....

By the way, in case any mother is shy, and did not know, you can pump and store breast milk, and deliver it in bottles - as my wife had to when our second child was born 4 months early, during which time he was in Manchester, while we were in Windermere!
That said, I still prefer the cute containers it originally came in.

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It was a bit of a surprise I was 18/19. I did look away. It probably a product of youth(I don’t know because I have never been asked to analyse in such great depth) .
I refuse to be talked to if I am some unreasonable person. I looked away because I understand she has a right to do it.


However you seem to fail to understand, I have/had a right to feel uncomfortable (for whatever reason). I probably have seen other women breast-feeding before and after the event and never gave it a second thought. However if you are sat opposite or next to someone on a train or any public transport, you have to consider how your actions could make them feel, which is my point.


People are entitled to there views, and feel uncomfortable with things. People do not choose to feel uncomfortable, it just happens. This is almost similar to the poor people in a different topic being attacked because homosexuality makes them feel uncomfortable. I couldn’t care less if you are a homosexual or not. However I am not lecturing someone who does feel uncomfortable about it, on how wrong and ignorant they are because of it. If they go out and beat someone up because they are gay or for another reason, then that is a problem.

People have the right to their option no matter how un PC it is. If they start to persecute people that is where it is unfair.


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Of course you have a right to feel the way you feel. It's interesting that you feel your age probably was a factor back then, but we all get more 'worldly' as we get older and are better able to cope with things. I suppose it'd be far less of a surprise to you today if you sat down on a train and someone started breastfeeding on the seat opposite.

ree.t, like I said earlier in the thread, I'm just surprised that anyone would feel embarassed about someone on the train breastfeeding. I was asking questions to try to understand why you found it uncomfortable to be sitting near someone doing it, particularly as you felt that your permission should be sought first, just out of courtesy.

For a nursing mother asking permission could cause a number of problems, which is probably why they don't do it

1. It draws people's attention to what they are doing. People who might not have noticed are now aware of what she is doing and could be annoyed or embarassed or might just decide to have a good leer
2. It leaves the woman in a difficult position if someone says they do mind. What does she do then? Carry on regardless (how rude), find another seat elsewhere and try again or let the child scream until they get home or to a purpose-built facility?
3. It's a perfectly normal, natural thing to do and not something that anyone should need permission for in the first place.

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Your Reason No. 2 is Mrs. Mole's biggest one - by a long chalk. As you said, the problem is that the baby NEEDS a feed and if she asked and people said "no", the choices would be to ignore them or let the baby scream. Neither would endear her to her fellow travellers much!

I can't answer Reet's original question about where rights end and responsibilities start - because there isn't a clear dividing line and it changes with circumstances anyway. I guess we are all bound to ensure that whatever activity we engage in, we take all reasonable steps to minimize its potential (real or percieved) impact on our fellow men. Similarly, we are probably just as duty-bound to be as tolerant as we possibly can of those around us. I agree with him in as far as he doesn't have to like it though!

There! I bet that helped!

I'm not sure I agree with the smoking analogy either - because nobody ever died of passive breastfeeding!

Ja.. but ist question of common sense.

I have breast fed in public. I never needed really to ask if anyone minded .. because...

I happened to do so very discreetly und without drawing attention to this by ripping off a pullover or anything remotely "unladylike"

Ist really being aware of others. how they perceive.. may think .. und just being considerate und practical.

As said . when breastfeeding kittens in past........chose my clothing to give me maximum "modesty" und "consideration to others if more publicly viewed" und of course - always with my own personal comfort und feelings in mind as well.

Let us put it this way.. chavs do not think. Refined und caring people do!

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