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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 23:25 
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Sorry CO - I just duplicated your thoughts in another post.

It is even worse when you consider the news from last November which I have linked to.

The weather has not been as severe as in past years - but perhaps that lulls drivers into a sense of security which is misplaced, at a time of year when limited daylight, and wet roads, and poor maintainance (here abouts at least) conspire to reduce the quality of the driving environment. Inexperience must have a bigger influence under these conditions. :oops:

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Ernest Marsh wrote:
Sorry CO - I just duplicated your thoughts in another post.

............ Where, please ?


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Dr L wrote:
Ernest Marsh wrote:
Sorry CO - I just duplicated your thoughts in another post.

............ Where, please ?

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=122377#122377

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Ernest Marsh wrote:
Dr L wrote:
Ernest Marsh wrote:
Sorry CO - I just duplicated your thoughts in another post.

............ Where, please ?

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=122377#122377

May I merge the referred post into here without offending, Ernest?


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Dr L wrote:
Ernest Marsh wrote:
Sorry CO - I just duplicated your thoughts in another post.

............ Where, please ?

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=122377#122377

May I merge the referred post into here without offending, Ernest?


OF course!! :)

I find it worrying in such a low population density.... :oops:

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Yet the North-easts finest "boys in blue" have only been visible in this area on the straightest, and coincidently, the "fastest" sections of the A90 where it is dual carriageway, and more worryingly, this morning, this vastly overstretched body of men/women could spare 2 officers to "have a quiet word in the ear" of drivers who were deemed to be "a pain" ( his words not mine) at the AECC roundabout who weren't actually doing anything illegal.


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Here in Cumbria they employ a Scamera Partnership to do those things for them. :oops:

We have other difficulties here too....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/6319825.stm
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Two badly hurt in motorbike crash

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Scene of the crash in Carlisle
Two teenagers were seriously hurt in the crash
Two young men are seriously ill in hospital after an off-road motorcycle collided with a minibus in Cumbria.

The 16-year-olds were hurt in a crash on Wigton Road in Carlisle, near Morton Community Centre, on Wednesday.

One of the injured was undergoing surgery at Carlisle's Cumberland Infirmary on Thursday afternoon. His condition is described as serious.

The other was transferred to a hospital in Newcastle where his condition is described as critical.

In the past three months, Cumbria Police has received 268 calls from the public in relation to off-road motorbikes being ridden irresponsibly.

'Crash helmets'

The force has launched Operation Minx, in partnership with Carlisle City Council, in an attempt to tackle the growing problem.

Supt Jon Rush said: "This is the second collision where serious injury has occurred, involving the irresponsible riding of off-road motorcycles on Wigton Road in the past few weeks.

"Both incidents have involved young male teenagers from the neighbourhood using bikes, while not wearing crash helmets and riding on bikes that are not meant for use on the roads.

"We will continue with our operation but it is very sad that two young men are now seriously ill in hospital because they have not heeded ongoing warnings and advice."


It's a shame their families are being put through trauma - but then somebody presumably bought them the bike, and failed to supervise them.

Earlier this week we had a fatality when a Mini Cooper (it didn't specify which one!) was involved in an accident - with SIX occupants. One died, others are seriously injured.
I have not driven one, but SIX up in any small car is bound to affect the handling! :(

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It's a shame their families are being put through trauma - but then somebody presumably bought them the bike, and failed to supervise them.


Get real Ernest! How do you think it's possible to "supervise" a 16 year old? May have been better not to buy the bike but maybe it was a least of all evils situation. Believe me - unless you have a son of a certain type of around that age (I do, and he is worryingly exhibiting many of the characteristics I had at his age), you cannot possibly understand how difficult parenting can get.


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It's a shame their families are being put through trauma - but then somebody presumably bought them the bike, and failed to supervise them.


Get real Ernest! How do you think it's possible to "supervise" a 16 year old? May have been better not to buy the bike but maybe it was a least of all evils situation. Believe me - unless you have a son of a certain type of around that age (I do, and he is worryingly exhibiting many of the characteristics I had at his age), you cannot possibly understand how difficult parenting can get.

I have one too.... and he WONT be getting a motorcycle until he can buy his own, maintain and insure it!
That's not to say one of his friends parents will not spoil things by "treating" thei child to a gift which could kill them :oops:
However, when he goes out, we know where and who he is with, and if there is any doubt, we would check up by going out to look.

I have tackled several parents head on when their children have been involved in wrong doing, and most have to be dragged away from the telly , only to tell me their child can do no wrong! :x

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There's a 14-year-old near us, and his 'father' smiles benignly as he rides off to take the piss out of the neighbours. No tax, test, licence, lights, horn, no. plate, helmet, silencer or road tyres. Sometimes after midnight. Even had the police chopper after him one night, but he's still at it! :? :evil:

And frequent calls to the BiB don't faze the family, even though they're under threat of eviction!


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There's a 14-year-old near us, and his 'father' smiles benignly as he rides off to take the piss out of the neighbours. No tax, test, licence, lights, horn, no. plate, helmet, silencer or road tyres. Sometimes after midnight. Even had the police chopper after him one night, but he's still at it! :? :evil:

And frequent calls to the BiB don't faze the family, even though they're under threat of eviction!

Do you find yourself hoping he kills himself, before he kills somebody else?

Understanding and sympathy get worn down when this behaviour is repeated enough, and you know that the behaviour is likely to cause a breach of the peace at least!

I just hope when the time comes, he does not involve some innocent party in his "accident". :(

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I quite agree Ernest.

Having some experience of the antisocial little yobs on their scramblers, I have to admit that my first thoughts on reading the news story were that I am glad they only hurt themselves, and maybe this will make them think twice before being so stupid again.

These kids hare around off-road public footpaths and common land with no respect for other users, and even if this were legal (it is not) they then proceed to ride on the road/footpath for "just the short distance" back to their homes.

No matter how many steps are taken to improve road safety, so long as underage, untrained, uninsured, unroadworthy and unprotected riders and vehicles abuse the public highway in this manner we will still have incidents such as this one.

You are all damn right that its the parents' job to regulate their little angels. It is certainly not the police or government's lookout, although the lack of parents taking responsibility has contributed at least in part to the 'nanny culture' that the current administration and other do-gooders are imposing upon us all!


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