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Not wanting to rant, but;

1. With no vans how do people expect tradesmen to go about their business.

2. With no lorries, the supermarket shelves would be empty

3. I drive a LR defender 110, a good portion of my milage is supporting charity / motorsport events. I would like to see someone in a Mondeo taking injured people off tracks up the West Highland Way etc. If we're not off road, we still have the capability to carry a medic + lots of gear.

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:welcome: Ben!

I dont think LR Defenders are seen in the same bracket as the Porsche, Lexus , Nissan, Misubishi, BMW, VW, and Volvo 4x4 Chelsea tractors! :lol:
The ones with a couple of kids in who only go off road while they put two wheels on the pavement when they drop off the kids at school!

As to vans and lorries, I have no difficulty with them as long as they are driven to a reasonably good standard - and most are.
But busses which drive around nearly empty while being subsidised with my money really pi** me off! :x
I have never felt to be in a minority here! :roll:

You dont mention it, but I will - how do "Town Centre managers" expect ALL the shops to be serviced before 10.00 am in ALL the towns having branches of the same shops???
Somebody has to be at the start and finish of every delivery run! :o

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The Vine Show is supposed to be doing this sillyness all week:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/vine/ ... vote.shtml

I have emailed them, FWIW.

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I dont think LR Defenders are seen in the same bracket as the Porsche, Lexus , Nissan, Misubishi, BMW, VW, and Volvo 4x4 Chelsea tractors! :lol:
The ones with a couple of kids in who only go off road while they put two wheels on the pavement when they drop off the kids at school!


How will they differentiate the tax?

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As to vans and lorries, I have no difficulty with them as long as they are driven to a reasonably good standard - and most are.


We have spent a good deal of time looking at this, I will shortly be engaging in individual risk assesments for our drivers. After all a little money spent on assesment and training could save a lot in insurance premiums.

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You dont mention it, but I will - how do "Town Centre managers" expect ALL the shops to be serviced before 10.00 am in ALL the towns having branches of the same shops???
Somebody has to be at the start and finish of every delivery run! :o


I'm afraid you generally go as early as possible, if you are a little late, carry on. Most councils around here have a fairly tollerent attitute to the problem, and are generally helpful, except of course Edinburgh who enforce the letter of the law!

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Oh look. It's coming from the 'axis of evil' at Department for Transport:

http://www.gnn.gov.uk/content/detail.as ... eID=268579

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Driving for a living? make sure it's not the death of you, Ladyman warns

A new THINK! road safety campaign to tackle stress and distractions among the UK's three million-strong army of "White Van Men" is being launched today in a bid to reduce road deaths and casualties, Road Safety Minister Dr Stephen Ladyman has announced.

And for the first time, all callers ringing drivers on their mobiles will be urged to take the initiative and phone back later in a ground-breaking new THINK! mobile phones TV campaign - "If they're driving, kill the conversation" - also launched today.

Dr Ladyman said:

"I used to drive for work myself and I know the pressures. Tough deadlines can push you over the speed limit, and distractions like the boss calling you on your mobile can take your attention off the road. Simple measures which anyone can adopt will make a real difference, and that's what our new campaign is about."

"Government research shows that around 200 fatalities and serious injuries involving somebody at work occur on our roads every week. Our message to drivers is that good driving is also safe driving, and employers must take responsibility for managing the safety of their staff when out on the road."

The THINK! Driving for Work campaign will focus on removing many of the hazards van drivers face, such as answering mobile phones whilst driving, stress and fatigue - meanwhile drivers and their bosses will be encouraged to plan journeys better in a bid to reduce speeding.

Over the past 10 years the number of vans in the UK has increased by around one third - the campaign illustrates the vital contribution van drivers make and the dramatic impact of a road safety accident.

Alongside this, and last week's introduction of tough new penalties for using a mobile illegally at the wheel, the Government is launching its first THINK! mobile phones TV campaign to educate people about the dangers of driving and talking on the phone.

In a new approach, the campaign makes it clear that it is not just the responsibility of drivers to consider the consequence of using a mobile at the wheel - people making calls also need to realise that they are putting the recipient's life at risk. The message is clear; your call can wait until it's safe for the person you are calling to talk.

The THINK! Driving for Work campaign will target drivers with messages throughout their working day through targeted radio advertisements, press partnerships, and ambient advertisements in service station washrooms washrooms and on cafe sandwich bags.

In addition the Department is also rolling-out the Driving for Work Business Champions initiative. Run by road safety charity Roadsafe, the programme aims to spread advice and good practice and will encourage business leaders to communicate directly with fellow employers about the benefits of managing work-related road safety.

Notes to Editors

1. The first phase of the THINK! Driving for Work campaign targeting van drivers, launches on 5 March 2007 and will run until the end of the month. The national campaign uses a mix of radio advertising and sponsorship, ambient advertising, partnership marketing, PR and posters. This approach centres around the key activities of a van driver's day and engages directly with them at times when they are best placed to act upon our messages. The overarching message for the campaign is 'Around 200 road deaths and serious injuries each week involve someone at work. THINK!

2. The THINK! Driving for Work campaign priorities will be speed due to time pressure, distractions (mobile phone use while driving, drinking, reading maps whilst driving), and journey planning.

3. Case studies are available for interview by contacting the Press Office.

4. The THINK! mobile phones TV campaign follows on from DfT's recent campaign highlighting the increase in penalties for drivers caught using their mobile phones whilst driving. The new TV ad is being aired today to highlight this change, and can be viewed online at http://www.thinkroadsafety.gov.uk.

5. The Department has opened a new website dedicated to advice and good practice for employers on managing driving for work. The link for the website is http://www.dft.gov.uk/drivingforwork. The content has been developed from a research project being run by TRL Ltd for the Department which is aimed at identifying how to present advice and support to employers, and to make the case for them to invest in work-related road safety.

6. On 27 February the penalty for using a hand-held mobile phone while driving increased to £60 and three penalty points. The new advert aims to remind people that it is illegal to use a hand-held phone at the wheel and of potential the consequences of doing so.

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Alongside this, and last week's introduction of tough new penalties for using a mobile illegally at the wheel, the Government is launching its first THINK! mobile phones TV campaign to educate people about the dangers of driving and talking on the phone.


Why didn't they do that when they introduced the first law instead of waiting, what 2+years, then coming up with an even more draconian law.

Oh yes, because this government needs SatNav to locate the difference between their elbow and their :censored:

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I love this bit about trying to make bosses plan journeys better.

Perhaps the DFT can charter a white van to ship around Mystic Meg to companies like mine to tell the bosses exactly which sites are going to have major failures in the next few months


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Well I'll be damned!

JV has just been on air talking about this slot on his show and he explains that they thought it would all be done in good humour, peace and harmony. They are in fact surprised at the rich vein of venom they have tapped into..... :roll:

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On the subject of commercial drivers. TfL (I believe) have recently set up a new police inniciative aimed at sending experienced traffic officers into transport offices to highlight specific driving issues, legislation etc. Its hoped that this will go national.

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They thought it would all be done in good humour.


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atlas2 wrote:
Not wanting to rant, but;

1. With no vans how do people expect tradesmen to go about their business.

2. With no lorries, the supermarket shelves would be empty

3. I drive a LR defender 110, a good portion of my milage is supporting charity / motorsport events. I would like to see someone in a Mondeo taking injured people off tracks up the West Highland Way etc. If we're not off road, we still have the capability to carry a medic + lots of gear.

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Hi Ben!

Long time ago we had a debate on here on this same issue. One of the cyclists .. chap whose posts are normally sensible and one of the few of the cycling brigade who agrees to disagree in a very courteous manner .. and who occassionally visits here. I actually like his posts when he comes along.. and my mind's eye imagines a vision of a really decent bloke.

In one "set to" where we gently nudged the beer :wink: .. I pointed out the very same.. He was arguing for the rail freight system to deliver our goodies. I reminded him that a big lorry then loaded these goods and delivered around to the stores whilst the "internet shoppo" van did numerous detours via its "sat nav" .. and usually got lost somewhere.. :roll:

I note with some good humour that Vine "ourtraged" have nominated motorbikes, tractors, white vans, 4x4s, BICYCLES :yikes: (do they value their lives .. :shock:) . horses, caravans, HGVs.

So far on "listenagain" .. we heard Christine Hamilton rail unconvincingly against the motorbikes.

Wildy and the Swiss ride them.. I have never been that way inclined.

But whilst I dislike some bikers who clearly "take the proverbial".. I find the majority ride as I would expect.. courteously and safely. Leathers protect them. And I agree that they are very vulnerable. I asked my Wildy :neko: why she risked her beloved Papa's anger and bought a motorbike .. (it was the fastest one in Europe when she was a student :roll:)

Her reply to me.. was

Wildy explaining a perceived youthful folly to me wrote:

Siegli did it first. I prove wimmin are just as good to him. That was one reason. It was also "defiance". Papa said NO :nono:. I said :yesyes: :lol: I also wanted to get to lectures in record time.. This was fastest way to do so. .. It was fun too. I learned as well to see thing from biker's perception. It helped improve my driving and my cycling to feel this and understand this.

But I also cannot explain. the feel and smell of leather, fuel, the sheer power and the very immediate response of these machines. It gives a real thrill!


IG even said similar to his cousin. :lol: It has still never enticed me. I perhaps like bicycles and cars :lol:


The argument against the 4x4?

I actually agree with the C+ paranoid who suffer in the towns. These vehicles are just superb in a rural setting .. but are clumsy in an urban setting even if driven by some one as exemplary qualified as Krissi .. my sister -in - law .. who does say


sister-in-law Krissi aka a Nice Tame Cat in more lucid moment wrote:
"Godsend for work.. but I will use the people carrier or my husband's normal saloon for town work"


These vehicles are Kings of the Road in rural communitiies.. but I agree that they are most unsuited to "fashion accessory in Chelsea driven by a a muppet" :wink:

I do not have issues with lorries.. or horses.. or even tractors way of life here :wink:)

I think perhaps I am concerned that cyclists feature in this list as nominated by R2 listeners. I find it even more worrying given the increased listenership too. I confess I do tune in to R2 more than any other station other than Classic and Jazz FM .. on the basis that they provide a fairly relaxed general entertainment overall. Thus I find the inclusion of the cyclist a bit alarming.

I will say the spiels to date are rants worthy of the taboids .. might reflect the overall perception.. but the way presented strikes me as very lightweight and of the rather tasteless entertainment mode.. which sadly makes "compulsive listening" and "entertainment". I admit to almost choking over my lunch today anyway. :rotfl:

Tis a throwaway debate really .. but "funny whilst it lasts" in entertainment terms.

Yes .. I think it undermines serious road safety values.. and whilst I concede "bit of fun and I admit to laughing as well when listening to all this.. " I will have to say that this is very lightweigh entertainment and should not be taken as a "personal attack" to anyone using the nominated "hates"

The real HATE is the Speed Cam and its chums - after all :wink:

No one actually "hates" a fellow road user. But most hate the scamerati and if the nominated list was a true reflection of feelings.. then the cam van would be well into the lead :wink:

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The rants have been very predictable all week. Still about sharing the roads and showing courtesy. I would bet our grandchildren and great grandchildren will have the same heated discussions.. even when all modes of transport and footpaths are fully computerised and stalellite navigated .. and we will still "bump" into each other :roll:

Still cannot think of anything really positive to say about caravans though. I like a bit of pampering in a nice hotel when I goes on my"jollies" :lol: Chemical toilets are not quite my scene.. though I think I would barbecue stuff around a "camp fire" and bore the family rigid about "when I was in the scouts" :lol:

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My sister-in-law - Krissi was not amused by this prog :yikes: as

1. She rides a motorbike :lol:

2. She rides a horse :lol:

3. She rides a bicycle :lol:


4. She drives a 4x4 (work.. she's a country vet after all :wink:

5. She has been known to tow a caravan :yikes:

6. She has driven a tractor. Long story .. but her version is that it was "in the way and the muppet just had not spatial awareness of that gate.. so she did the job for him :lol:

7. She hired a white van when moving surgery admin base recently. :yikes:

8. Her only saving grace here is that she has never driven a HGV :lol:

She began to feel a bit "under attack" by this poll. :violin:

It was then whittled to the final four..

and the votes were as follows in reverse order.. :lol:

4. Horses
3. HGVs
2. Caravans
1. 4x4s

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But the prog today did have some "redeeming" features.

Johnny Four Chins was on the prog. Bragging that Kengestion charging was "really his idea" :wink: and that it had worked very well ... and that the bus lane on the M4 had also served to decrease congestion.

Lot of listeners phoned in to disagree with that.

He then praised the speed humps.. all his idea..

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These slowed traffic down



Nope. Sharp acceleration and loud bangs when suspension cannot cope :roll:

But then .. he said..

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Since Labia came to power .. the standard of living has improved so much that over 7 million more people can now afford a car.. and that because theey have not built any more roads.. this means that more cars are crowding onto the roads.. and this is reducing the average speeds to 25 mph in urban areas


Pounce!

Aha... :popcorn: Not a speed camera then ... :popcorn: Just increased volume and .. er .. increased volume means more hazards and more chance of a collision.

Johnny Umpteen Jags who did not want a Pious wrote:


I may have all those cars .. but I do half of my travel by train


And your car follows on the road with all your papers and luggage :wink: We saw that "Politics Show fronted by John Humphries who asked the awkward questions back in '98 and which Vine this time to his credit dredged up and you could feel the squirm over the airwaves. :wink: Also to Vine's credit .. he did try to get an answer .. but Prescott - like all politicos - adept at "not answering the question" :wink:


But then "Prezza" came up with this gem when asked about "speeding" cars

Johnny Umpteen Jags saying something almost normal wrote:

Some people will step out from between parked cars. They could even be killed at just 10 mph.


and

Johnny Umpteen Jags for once talking something which sounded sensible for him and making me say Blimey wrote:

People need to be more observant and courteous .. this applies to all roaad users .. including cyclists on pavements


This was followed by Vine inviting Sir George Young, Cecil Parkinson and Labour;s 1997 Transport Secretary on the show.

George Young is a keen cyclist .. and whilst he admitted like Jon Snow :wink: and the internet trollster :wink: that cyclists are more vulnerable because they do not have the speed or the protection to get out of danger... they do themselves few favours by flouting the laws and placing themselves in danger when riding through red lights .. etc etc. Sir George also called for better planned cycle lanes and facilities.

However, all three agreed that driving standards must be improved .. and that concentating, observing and anticipating hazards on the road on the part of all road users and a lot more give and take and pull together would improve things very much

Ah.. really talkin' COAST :wink: :hehe:

Cecil Parkinson and George Young both thought that the UK had the worst road provision in Europe saying that (parpahrased ;) :

We have more cars .. bikes and a growing number of cyclists .. but a network of roads which is woefully inadequate for the volume of traffic, badly co-ordinated when compared to the European mainland .. and that Labour compounded the problem by halting the work in progress .. only to resurrect later and botch up most of the original plans. :roll:

All three thought that the tougher penalty for using a hand held phone would deter.. but only if we had more dedicated policemen :wink: and all three agreed and said on the radio what worried them all most

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the volume of accidents caused by those illegally unlicenced, unqualifed and uninsured drivers far exceeds those incidents caused by those legally entitled to drive and ride on our roads. This must be addressed immediately and we must have more police officers to deal with this increasing number of very dangerous drivers


Hmmm.. but .. er.. what about .. er .. them scameras .. :wink:


:scratchchin:


Hmmm.. All three and even Prezza indirectly seem to be agreeing with many a point raised on this site by the collective. :wink:

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I sent a vote in to the JV show.

I voted for Jeremy Vine's car to be taken off the road because he's a self-righteous road captain.

Funnily enough, they didn't read my vote out.

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