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Well I wouldnt be a brow beaten magistrate! un paid and they all look quite stressed. (well they are after we have bamboozeled them ) Thier bosses say convict them , hit em with big fines and they see the people they migh associate with, getting bigger fines than the pond life they thought they would be dealing with. Then there is the hopelessness of some cases (not neccessarly motoring)
I could not do it.

I had to snigger when we went through 35 cases today and they were all postponed waiting the EHCR. ... And a leeding solicitor asked ME when the judgement was due. I blagged it, told him it was 4th in the queue and was delayed due to the complex embryo case. he then spouted all this to the court as if he had perfect inside knowledge.

It did sound quite good

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Hmmm. When did this penalty get introduced??

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Pecunia Prius Equitas et Salus

the day god issued me with fat fingers

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Now advanced to 3rd ... slowly but surely it's getting closer. I just hope that we win, after all the hype it'll be such a disappointment if the government win the case.

If the government wins. It will prove that the Human Rights laws are not worth the paper they are written on.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Where did you hear that from Paul?

From Idris Francis.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Finally! Glad to hear the long wait will soon be over.

Supposing that the government lose the case, but decide to just ignore the court and carry on as usual, is there actually anything we could do about it? Or would the ECHR decision be a reliable defence to use if you were defending a speeding case in court?

What was the end date of the ScrapCam petition again?

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

Midnight on Tuesday 26th June.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/scrapcam

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Far be it from me to suggest that the change of end date from the 29th June to the 26th was anything other than sheer co-incidence. Surely, nobody could know the date of an ECHR judgement in advance, could they?

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

there will be a lot of people claiming this win/loss
SAFESPEED
ABD
PEPIPOO
SOLICITORS
LIBERTY
IDRIS
REETA CHACKRABARTI (spelling)

How are we going to play this?

A big joint event by the Thames?
guillotine a fake gatso?
(if we lose guillotine right to silence, and inocent untill proved guilty ... and justice itself) (or a funeral procession)

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

More likley timed not to end in gordons first days

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Time to change the countdown timer?

I suspect that this case has more to do with John Reid's statement that we may have to opt out of aspects of the ECHR than any spurious terrorist issues.

And I don't mean the implications for speed enforcement (before some lurker accuses me of getting dellusions of granduer) more to do with the creeping fixed penalty, self incrimination culture.

The gov't may well lose in the ECHR. So what?
All they will do is to make the registered kEeper totally responsible for the conduct of the vehicle and if the keeper then exercises his/her newly-established right not to name the driver, then the points will just go to the keeper instead. If the keeper is a company, the fine will be much bigger, but no points will be applied.
All they will need to do is amend the NiP to say something like: "Whilst you, the keeper, are not legally required to name the driver in the form of a witness statement, by not doing so you will be responsible for the outcome of any court finding that the alleged offence was committed as if you were the driver responsible and penalised accordingly".

What happens if your car has been cloned, as that seems to be the next epidemic?

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

I don't think so. If the ECHR is won I think we'll get a 'decriminalised' procedure with no points possible.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

I hope so Paul, and I admire your optimism.