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there are caravanners all over the uk who want to go to other parts of the uk where there are other caravanners who also want to go all over the uk.

solution:

they register with my website and take a train to the desired destination where they borrow another members caravan while theirs is being used

the name:

GET OFF THE BLOODY ROAD .CO.UK

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Richie

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Allow me to introduce you to an island paradise where no caravans are allowed. Motorhomes? Yes, but caravans, not now, not ever, no way! It's called The Isle of Man.

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Anyone who tells you that nothing is impossible has never bathed in a saucer of water.

Have not got anything against caravans in general as long as they are towed by the right vehicle namely one that has enough under the bonnet to move the thing and the driver knows what he or she is doing. Same with any vehicle.

That said today I saw three of the things on the hard shoulder with HATOs in attendance. Does make we wonder just how road worthy they are in general.

We came back up from Cornwall on Sunday and I lost count of the number of the blessed things there were on the shoulder.

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

naw, I prefer: http://www.freightonrail.org.uk/

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

aint gonna happen

expensive
impractical
unreliable
unworkable
IMPOSSIBLE

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Richie

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For starters it would require MASSIVE investment in rail infrastructure. Then you'd still have to move the goods to and from the rail terminus at each end.

Trucks aren't the problem...

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

take the trucks off the road, you still have congestion. the difference being the lower level of skill left to deal with it (on average)
take the non essential road users off the road and you will have a noticeable difference. start with the school runs and commuters who could use public transport but choose not to.

i would like to see a proposal regarding transferring freight to rail. what happens at the far end? or the senders end come to think of it. every road replaced with rail or putting the freight onto trucks for final delivery in which case, what benefit is there? fewer trucks on the motorways whiich are the least congested roads anyway? the end result would defeat the purpose every time

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Richie

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[tee hee]
totally predictable response from you two there!
[/tee hee]

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Well Gents, speaking seriously as a caravaner...... I DON'T think that this: "TOP GEAR" type of attitude, rampant here is helpful.

I was recently traveling at 80mph, middle lane, just after overtaking, caravan in tow..........light traffic.......No -one in the outside lane, no probs!

In rear view mirror a "people carrier" approaches at a speed considerably MORE than my 80 mph. I think, ah! No problem, no-one about, he has PLENTY of room in the 3rd lane to overtake, (empty for miles) so I stayed there.......

He SCREAMED BY and MISSED MY Front wing by about 2 inches as he pulled back in for NO reason as he passed! Obviously to tell me that in HIS opinion "I" shouldn't be in the centre lane..

The Guy was fully loaded for his holiday with his wife and two kids in the back who enjoying the "game" that their father had begun began laughing and giving me the "two finger salute" from the rear seats as I was then only a matter of feet from their back bumper with the added weight of a caravan behind me.

In THIS situation there is obviously NO possibility of my stopping suddenly if HE had to, and ALL his family would end up dead.

HE of course, would blame the man with the caravan behind..... or the news that day would have read: "Caravan overturns on Motorway...silly caravaner at fault".......


It's TIME for this; juvenile "Top Gear" [take the piss attitude] to STOP!

It's Dangerous!...........

Caravans need more SPACE in front to stop.......taking their front wing off as you pass by is just plain stupid. STILL, if you only value your loved ones so litle then carry on.

Caravans are limited to 60 mph by law in the UK.....OK, I have travelled Europe at a constant 80 mph for decades without the merest hint of a problem and still do. Now YOU are limited to 70 mph in Britain, so "I" should be leaving YOU behind! What's your problem? Can't keep it up?....

Don't blame the caravaner, like YOU, they are restricted, it's STUPID I know, there is NO reason why 70 mph (like MOST caravaners do) should not be the norm! They are under THREAT just like you, to stay at 60!

Let me tell you........100mph is quite safe in the right conditions with a caravan for short distances. I've done 8o+ for hundreds of miles at a time over decades of travel in Europe. Right car, right caravan......right loading! I've hit 110 mph on the right brief occasions....

.....and the next time I see that prat in the people carrier, I'm going to ram the silly T*at!......

Oh! and the main reason why caravaners DON'T move back in to the first lane is! YOU B's! won't let them back out again when they need to! YOU speed up to block 'em from coming out!

Don't believe me? you try taking a trailer on the motorway sometime.....
Every motorist should be MADE to in order to see what it's like!

I guarantee that you'll come out with a different opinion of your fellow motorist!...........

I stopped caravaning in the UK many years ago. Except for visiting friends I always head for the nearest port so that I don't upset you types too much....

Enjoy the UK, if you can..............I'm off else where!

They had the grand inauguration of one of those in France a few months ago.

http://www.lorry-rail.com/

Since the launch the statistics for the volume of freight carried is pretty impressive...

Zero

Why? Because they forgot to have the rolling stock designed to resist the crosswinds from the Mistral along the coast of the south of France.

You couldn't make that up.

Thank you.

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Malcolm W.
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I sat down with some office work and tried to think if ANYTHING my business produced or had delivered to us could be transported by this method, and I came to a figure of zero.

Sorry.

Draco wrote



Just as well with that attitude. To my mind, the reason you're still around is most probably due to the skill of the drivers around you who fortunately recognised a dickhead when they saw one!

Draco

There are a large number of highly competent and safe caravaners on the roads, but the trouble is you don't get noticed. Its the halfwits that do.

Maybe the law should be changed so that you can't tow AT ALL without taking a second test...

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

A pretty good idea, I would have thought.

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Malcolm W.
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Trouble is, to be of any use it would have to be retrospective and there would be outcry from people like Draco who have been towing safely for years...

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

i do.


5 or 6 days a week, approx 50 weeks of the year

most caravans are on the road 1 or 2 weeks a year which is why most of them are more a nuisance than most other road users. they dont have the experience to drive them properly

note i did say MOST. there are exceptions to every rule

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Richie

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Jeez, start them while they’re young huh?!?


Hmmm. This is the critical part of the post.
[t.i.c.] The tarmac is being better utilised so that’s the problem? [/t.i.c.]

I’m sure many drivers do this to some extent. On the one hand, it is a sign of aggression, certainly not an indication of a quality driver. On the other hand drivers of the slower vehicle (not just caravanners) wanting to change into the right hand lane may not adjust speed accordingly or wait for a suitable gap (if he can’t adjust speed accordingly) so forcing approaching drivers to slow down or even brake, which is just as wrong, probably more so.
Afterall, why would a driver try to block if they have never had to react?
After repeated application you could understand why some drivers might tend to become less accommodating.

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Isn't there already another test (££) to drive with a trailer for anyone who was lucky enough to pass their test after 1997?
Or is that only for trailers over some random size?

I don't have car + trailer on my driving license.

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Andrew.