Safe Speed Forums

According to Cumbria Police's performance figures, the ONLY area where they failed to meet their target for 2006/7 was for reduction of fatal and serious RTC's.

It looks like the CSCP have been falling down on the job, yet curiously, they are still slapping themselves on the back and telling us how well they are doing in the Cumberland News.
Steve even came to the wicket himself, rather than rely on the expertise of his communications manager, Mr Tea, to defend themselves - dreding up the survey results which apparently have 80% of Cumbrians supporting the use of cameras.
I dont actually think that's quite how the question was worded.... and I dont think they asked ALL Cumbrians, but that's what he said!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

They can’t fiddle with K’s and I’ll bet they’re running out of ways to fiddle SI’s. That’s all it seems to be about nowadays, who’s better at fiddling what.

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

Are the worms turning?! Is it the case that now the CSCP is no longer able to cream profits, er sorry, operational costs off and distribute it amongst the partners before returning their excesses to the treasury that they are no longer the golden boys - has the penny dropped that Messrs. C, T, J and their army of civilians are a pointless drain on the road safety grant and are now being seen for the pernicious and patronising benders and breakers of the truth and failed public relations experiment that they are?!

Why would Cumbria Police include these figures unless to expose the Camera Operation's failings?!

This should help a lot....
http://www.cumbriasafetycameras.org/library/CFM%20Xmas%20ads.mp3

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

"I'm 17, I'm a learner driver and I think speeding's really irresponsible."

Take it from one who knows.

Steve, the majority of sane people loathe you, your goblins and your persecution devices, and it doesn't matter how much "truth economy" you engage in. I should think that advertising on local radio is actually dangerous; if I heard one of those sanctimonious, patronising, incorrect broadcasts while driving, I would struggle not to get irritated. I may well need to pull over for a few minutes to prevent it from affecting my driving. Others may let it affect theirs, with disastrous results. I would hope that would bother you. But thereagain you've shown that you couldn't care less about people getting killed on the roads.

I fervently look forward to the day when the "safety" camera partnerships are no more, and their staff have to get real jobs (that's if anyone will employ them; working for an SCP doesn't exactly indicate good character, or honesty).

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Paul Smith: a legend.

"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

Been to Cumbria recently. Must say lovely part of the country.

Any way, so many windy little roads, some of them even have different speed limits on them, NSL to 30 often before the little village. Aware of the scamming situation I was determined not to stray over that arbitary limit and add to the coffers. However, must admit that being in a nice car easy to reach 30mph, 40mph without even noticing I frequently had to to take my eyes of these twisty roads to keep checking my speedo. Definitely do not think it added to me being more safe and definitely think this would add to accidents in your area.


More time and concentration on safe driving rather than maintaining a speed limit would be a better way forward.

Yes definitely prosecute unsafe drivers using excessive speed for the road and conditions and maintain speed limits but get rid of the draconian enforcement of penalties for a few MPH over and introduce a safe driving campaign instead. It can still show the effects of people being hit by cars.

I'm certain this lot are going to sit up and take notice....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNHeymo14DI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OptVLgF2qLw
Should I put this in an email to the chief constable and ask what they hope to achieve with this sort of rubbish?
What a waste of money! Still, plenty more where that came from eh?

Edited to correct links

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

Is Callaghan going to get all "upity" with the CC now and ban him from posting

Well that's what he did to us when we had the audacity to point out he was failing miserably!

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It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it.

Upton Sinclair

Those were the days. It was so funny seeing him, his spokesman and his statistician desparately floundering time and time again. I don't think there was a single genuine member of the public who wasn't totally anti-camera. And I don't think there was a single debate that CSCP didn't lose. Most irrational camera defenders eventually seem to give up on threads where they're being beaten, but he didn't know when to stop digging; and besides, he couldn't, since it was his forum, and too many people were watching. And he could only pull the "Oh dear it's been mysteriously deleted" trick so many times.

Monolithic threads entitled "Unanswered questions"; the word "scam" being censored and replaced with a teacher-like rebuke; absurd statement after absurd statement from C******an (what letters would you replace the asterisks with? An H and a couple of As somewhere I think) as he desperately fought a losing battle. It really was immensely satisfying watching him desperately try to make the facts fit with his ridiculous views. He couldn't possibly have made CSCP look worse if he'd tried. A truly wonderul forum.

I'm surprised that it took so long for it to be shut down. It was obvious from the very beginning that faciliating the flow of true information would not help an SCP. I emailed C******an a few months ago to ask when it was reopening (since we were told at the time of closure that it was probably only temporary). I'm still waiting for a reply.

How's it going Steve? Having lots of fun trying to persuade councillors that huge chunks of their unringfenced budgets should be going on your monstrously mean murder machines? I do hope so. Do let us know how you're getting on sometime. In the meantime, we'll be thinking of you.

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Paul Smith: a legend.

"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)