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Better things with their time than saving lives by making sure people are driving appropriately? Something Cameras can't (no matter how many you stick up) do? A shocking thing to suggest, what could be more important than them dedicating time to saving lives by educacting rather than punishing? Telling kids off on buses? policing football matches which don't need policing? Telling people off for dropping litter? Etc etc etc

Actually that's not true, Weepej admits to speeding frequently. Which makes his holier than thou stance even more bizarre.

However it is clear from his comments in this thread that rather than imporve safety he would prefer people are killed or injured to teach them a lesson. We now see why he has a problem with us campaigning for safer roads, he wants more dangerous roads, and more people killed or injured.

It'll be easier if people just drove safer using an appropriate speed for the conditions.

It's like sex. Sometimes slower is better, sometimes quicker - or sometimes you just can't be bothered at all.

What if NIPs meant no fine or points but training of COAST instead? It would be a Notice of Intending Coast or NIC for short.

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the un-greeness of chicanes yet. More polution in my childs lungs (Hey - I managed to get the children in )

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Yeah. road safety by causing people to swerve into the path of oncoming traffic. Maybe sense only to the restrictors.

Why not go out and knock it down? Then dump the remains on the council's car park.

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Andrew.

Oh please. When and where did I say I speed frequently?

[quote="weepej
Bit more assesment of how to drive a car and monitor it's speed as part of learning and the driving test and bob's your uncle.

Anyway, 20 mph limit as well, only a numpty needs to look at their speedo to not break that.[/quote]

Got a nice line in secon hand red flags too ,if you think we should go that far back ,weepy .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

very nearly a beer covered laptop there tone.

No they don't! When did you last see a seat belt kick someone to death? NONE of these devices (except, perhaps, airbags that miss-fire and kill mechanics working in the footwell) actually "kill" people. Poor driving kills people.

In your previous post, you applaud the use of chicaines because you think that the drivers of the cars that collide with one another deserve all they get and that it will teach them a lesson.

But here's a stange thing!

When did you last see two cars hit each other head-on in a chicaine where EITHER of them was exceeding the speed limit? I've seen the odd bump at a chicaine before now and I can assure you that neither car would have been doing anything LIKE 30 MPH on impact! You think that putting these things up will stop people speeding - and I'm sure they they do. (Well, at that point anyway). And yet, we've probably all seen accidents at these "safety" features that are litle more than parking knocks! Of course, I agree that at least one driver in each of these situations will be guilty of SOME sort of motoring offence - but speeding? I very much doubt it!

So one has to ask oneself, do these so-called "safety" features, actually cause more accidents than they prevent? If I were a cynical person, I might be tempted to observe that such minor accidents would not generate any KSIs and would therefore not concern the local SCP's data at all!

Quite

Sounds like weepej is all for the welfare of the people I'm reminded of a quote..

"The welfare of the people has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience"

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=16621&p=161471&#p161471

Happy to oblige weepej, incidently, that thread is one of the many that you failed to answer the questions you were asked because they were clearly too challenging for you.

BIG TONE -

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Lame Odin, making out I drive round speeding in is utterly off the mark. I don't, I never have, never gone though red lights on my cycle either.

Out of the mouths of babes etc --



Since speeding is an absolute offence-Guilty as charged ,M'lud .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Well, quite, but extrapolating that to me speeding frequently is a bit wide of the mark, I might blow over to 31, 32 indicated speed very occasionally (that's 30 or 31 mph real speed).

I certainly don't drive at 35 - 40, and when I drive AT the limit (rare in a 30) it's 30 +/- 1 to 2 maybe 3 mph indicated (take one off for my speedo overreading) with me taking my foot off if the needle is rising above 30.

My goodness weepej, I think you need to read 'Scared to Death' by Christopher Booker and Richard North.

You sound like an erudite man so why not pop to your local library or I will happily post you mine if you like, FOC. I'll even sign it so if I become rich and famous one day it'll be worth something.

If you're not interested then just read some of the 19 customer reviews which may pique' your curiosity.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scared-Death-Gl ... 0826486142

My thanks to who recommended it here, last year. Can't remember who now )

Edit to add: I should have guessed viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16144&p=158191&hilit=scared+to+death#p158191

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

My only comment - take no credit for it --it's all in Peter E's sig

""Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)"

Suggest you might like to hire a JCB NOW to dig yourself out of hole .(alternatively you could admit to speeding ,like a lot more of us ,and be seen as human )

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

You don't think there's a difference between trying to not go over 30mph, but doing so by a tiny amount (rarely), or deciding to travel at 35 - 40?

The law patently does because prosecution guidelines state fixed penalty for over 35 and summons for over 50, notwithstanding you might be done for 33 if the police decide that was too fast anyway (i.e. you really should've been doing 20 in the situation you are in).

Nope. Not necessarily "for that reason"! The law gives a tolerance because they know full well they're going to strugle to "make it stick" given the all too common sloppy calibration and operation of their instruments!

But yes, of course there's a difference between 31 and 40 - at 31, you're only breaking the law "a little bit"! As long as what you're doing is safe and appropriate for the conditions, I don't think anyone here's going to hold it against you though!

Once again this brings us full circle to where you dodged the issue before, to make it very clear:
How do you know, since you have clearly drifted over the speed limit due to lack of attention? Therefore how can you say that you don't exceed the limit by more? If you did know you were already exceeding the limit then you were doing it with intent, if not then you cannot possibly know the extent of your lawlessness until you check the speedo.



So why do you clearly state that you do go around speeding? Were you lying then or are you lying now? Its fairly black and white scenario.

This is ridiculous Odin, it seems like you are trying to cast me as some habitual speeder in an attempt to justify your own attitude regarding speeding.

As an example, sometimes I cross the white line in front of a red light when I'm on my pushbike to get a decent position. Sometimes to get into an ASL box I cross the first white line in the road instead of going via the feeder box.

Regardless, both examples are breaking the law.

However, if the light is red I do not continue to ride, I stop and wait for the light to go green.

Would you put me in the same bucket as people who habitually ride straight thought the red light and carry on?