Safe Speed Forums

ah but you said "
Why should a twisty windy road be any more dangerous than a wide open motorway if you're being careful?"

So why shouldn't a twisty road have a MAXIMUM speed the same as a motorway of 70MPH?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Umm . it has dips.. bends., Mways are better engineered

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Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

Why do you always bring it back to speed? Your the one who is apparently following speeding drivers, and thus speeding yourself!

Yes but we are talking about a LIMIT of 70MPH (as they were when I (and probably you) learnt to drive)...it doesn't mean that you have to travel at 70MPH BUT as Weepy says if you are careful there is no reason why they shouldn't have a LIMIT of 70MPH, all country roads have wide open stretches that are safe at 70MPH in the right conditions at the right time of day.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

And here's me being accused of no living in the real world.

What percentage of drivers do you think are careful?

probably the millions that don't have accidents every year?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

An interesting thought I've just had, since weepy believes that speed is the cause of all accidents, if I were, for example to take my car to lane 6 of the M25 and park it there, it must be ultra safe. After all, it isn't moving therefore that is the safest speed of all!


100% mind you, you seem to think that people go out with the intention of crashing, so just talk to me about the real world again?

I believe that you have actually "cherry picked" your own phrase there, did you not????

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Cut me canine teeth on rurals as lad. Learned how to handle "serious roads with a drop"from the Swiss "seniors to me" and my own Dad (plod trainer in his "saladn days" ) But you still have to COAST and if you COAST properly . you match safest speed/gear/position/gear etc to the conditions. and even lolly Normally you are not drfiting too far above lolly . even on these roads. At night .. these are trickier than empty motorways all the same I would be dishonest to all if I suggest otherwise Our teams apply professional opinions . but to a fairly uniform and set standard of good practice. They apply this fairly to all .., but not one person gets away with "stupid" here All get fair discretion . cough . all the same to an agreed code of good practice which we know to be fair .. and which applied under Garvin's teams as does under Stoddart's teams

Buit we know lack of COAST .. driver error are the main causes ... inept appreciation of speed may be a factor .., but not necessarily the prime cause . but still linked to outcome all the same. We need to examine behaviour.. address training . instil good and well mannered habits/practice . That way.. we control the speed element a lot better perhaps.


I think we have to explore and drive down each avenue .. deal with each cul-de-sac .. to fully address real road safety policies for the future. Fora like this one allow us to examine such and we should do this politely .. OK ., tease and joke good naturedly oer the odd differences .. but still chat without acrimony all the same.

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

Neither would I, I'd only ever go by my speedo, but it's interesting to compare the two.



http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1208

(the vertical axis is in thousands)

so most people are criminals? On a given day, how many times is the speed limit broken? More times than we could count, hundreds of millions of times would be my guess. About 9 people a day are killed on the roads, even if all of the roads deaths were caused by breaking the speed limit, that's not a bad rate of return and not a high risk.

This just proves that the majority of speed limits are set too low does it not?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

It would appear so.



Many many many more seriously injured or slightly injured each day.

The target should be zero deaths and zero injuries, sure even I concede that's not possible, but at the moment the numbers are simply too high.

You kep posting this as if it is a triumph, both you and I would have to admit to speeding on occasion, because everyone on the road speeds. That is a fact, the only thing this proves is that speed is not the problem.

Yes, many drivers have no problem breaking the law.

Why should dual carriage ways only be 40 or 50MPH limits?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Now you're not making sense, do you speed or not?

for instance, I don't travel around at 35 in a 30 like many obviously do.

The Government set Guidelines which state that a speed limit should not be set below the mean speed of that road, yet if 80% of drivers are exceeding that limit then the mean speed is higher than the speed limits...so the authorities aren't following govt guidelines ....why not?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Is it hundreds of millions? no. Is it 100's of thouands? no!

The KSI stat, even though the SI is purely based upon the opinion of the officer involved in the report, is still very low compared to the number of people speeding every day.

Further to my earlier post, I'm splitting this thread.

For the moment this thread will be locked such that new posts don't fall into the wrong place as I split.

Some off topic posts have been split into a new thread: Judging the speed of others.
Others have been split off into Hazards and Visibility

Edit: unlocked.