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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:53 
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Steve (and others) wrote:
GreenShed wrote:
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Counter argument

Again:
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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 17:39 
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And since weepej will have been notified of new posts watching this thread and seen my request to answer a direct and perfectly reasonable question, in the absence of a reply and further repeated requests I conclude...

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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:44 
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:lol:

Well, to his credit weepej did answer, eventually, even if the answer did make no sense and he still gets out the kitchen when too hot otherwise he would have answered Steve's earlier 'too difficult to rebut' question.

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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 17:36 
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Big Tone wrote:
Well, to his credit weepej did answer, eventually, even if the answer did make no sense


No sense?

Do I really have to explain why:

a) putting the speed cushions closer to the kerb is a silly idea
b) creating a flat path between them by offsetting them is a silly idea?


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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 19:13 
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I can't help but notice your convenient dodge there weepej.

How about the rest of the post. Here is it again:
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... otherwise he would have answered Steve's earlier 'too difficult to rebut' question.

So do you want to tackle that one?



Please do explain the two points you raised about the 'cushions'; doing so will help explore the issue at hand. However, I ask that you keep those responses within the original thread.

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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:08 
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Steve wrote:
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... meanwhile those tearing around can be logged tracked down and prosecuted.

If their vehicle has a VRM, a VRM which isn't cloned or tampered with, and the registration details are correct.

I can foresee people who are criminally minded enough such that they are determined to 'tear around', to not bother with all that palarva!


Sigh, even people with false plates can be logged and tracked....


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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
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Steve wrote:
So do you want to tackle that one?


I already did.

weepej wrote:
They should use their judgement, but not exceed the posted limit. Stated explicity in the highway code.


Again, if a driver travels down a road at 80mph every day for three months and doesn't crash how does he know other people aren't crashing at the same speed because that speed is too fast for the road in question?

The road needs to be looked at as a system, not just on an individual car by car basis.


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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 13:35 
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weepej wrote:
Sigh, even people with false plates can be logged and tracked....

Yes the false details will be logged and tracked (which is quite obvious, unless no plate is used at all), but it won't do any good while the car is hidden while not in use (well it would be a bit daft to keep that vehicle permanently plain sight with the errant details), or those details are changed (very easily done). Add to that the reduced level of trafpol to confront the buggers...

So yes the plates and be logged and tracked, but that doesn't mean anything if the offender isn't actually stopped or found.

Sigh back at you weepej.

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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 13:43 
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weepej wrote:
Steve wrote:
So do you want to tackle that one?


I already did.

That's funny. Since posing that question to you, you had never even responded to me until now; you can see that for yourself. Are you imagining things, again!

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They should use their judgement, but not exceed the posted limit. Stated explicity in the highway code.


Again, if a driver travels down a road at 80mph every day for three months and doesn't crash how does he know other people aren't crashing at the same speed because that speed is too fast for the road in question?

I already understand the concepts of risk, headroom, and boundaries of knowledge; thank you. Of course that driver won't know, that why judgement is so important!
Unfortunately (for you), this wasn't the issue I raised. You response is a nice diversionary tactic :roll: :lol:

Your two statements I had issue with was:
1) "An individual driver driving down a road is in no position to judge the road as a whole"
2) "They should use their judgement ..."

My original question (which I again linked above) was for you was: "How do you reconcile these seemingly contradictory statements? Are they in that position or not?"
Do you want to have another go - again!

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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 18:08 
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weepej wrote:They should use their judgement, but not exceed the posted limit. Stated explicity in the highway code.


Again, if a driver travels down a road at 80mph every day for three months and doesn't crash how does he know other people aren't crashing at the same speed because that speed is too fast for the road in question?



So in the same vein, if a driver drives down the same road (with a 50mph limit,say), at 30MPH every day and does crash regularly (because they are a crap driver) does that mean that the road speed in general is too high?

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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
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graball wrote:
So in the same vein, if a driver drives down the same road (with a 50mph limit,say), at 30MPH every day and does crash regularly (because they are a crap driver) does that mean that the road speed in general is too high?


Torture is illegal in the UK, even if it's logic being tortured I believe.


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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
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is that a "yes" from you then or another attempt to dodge the question?

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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
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graball wrote:
is that a "yes" from you then or another attempt to dodge the question?


Please, find me an example of a driver that "crashes regulary driving at 30mph in a 50mph because they are a crap driver".


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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
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The point that I am trying to make which is apparently above your head is that some drivers will crash regulary at 30mph or below (even if it's parking in a car park ) and some drivers can negotiate certain roads safely at 80mph but THAT isn't necessarily down to the road, so should the road speed be set for the safer driver or the driver that has the most accidents? .

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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
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Am I the only person who has noticed that weepej has gone for graball instead of Steve's 'much more uncomfortable' question....

Someone here must have a house full of fruit :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
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weepej is like Greenshed, they answer what they chose to answer (badly) and totally ignore anything that can't be "flanneled".

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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
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Big Tone wrote:
Am I the only person who has noticed that weepej has gone for graball instead of Steve's 'much more uncomfortable' question....

That's not to detract from grabby's own valid point.

I did notice weepej has logged on since graball's last response, but I'm happy to allow weepie a bit more time to properly consider his response.
However, should he start anew within other threads and not respond to this simple & short one, then the high ground can be claimed.

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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
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Absolutely! No disrespect to you Graball :bow:. Just a personal observation of what looks like cherry picking.

The stage is yours weepej...

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