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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 02:16 
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20mph limit has not made roads safer

Controversial 20mph speed limits in residential streets may not bring any significant improvement in road safety, a report published by the Department for Transport has found.

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Published: 9:30PM BST 02 Oct 2010

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The number of people killed or seriously injured on affected roads actually went up, not down, after the limit was lowered Photo: PA

Towns and cities across Britain are planning to introduce 20mph limits, with Government backing, claiming that they will cut the toll of deaths on the road.

However, an analysis of the UK's first city-wide scheme - in which the limit was lowered from 30mph to 20mph on all residential streets in Portsmouth, at a cost of £500,000 - found that it has not brought any significant reduction in the number of accidents.

Towns and cities across Britain are planning to introduce 20mph limits, with Government backing, claiming that they will cut the toll of deaths on the road.

However, an analysis of the UK's first city-wide scheme - in which the limit was lowered from 30mph to 20mph on all residential streets in Portsmouth, at a cost of £500,000 - found that it has not brought any significant reduction in the number of accidents.

The number of people killed or seriously injured on affected roads actually went up, not down, after the limit was lowered.

Motorists' groups said the findings cast doubt on the case for city-wide 20mph schemes.

Paul Watters, head of public affairs at the AA, said: "By just whacking up signs everywhere you are not going to change things dramatically.

"We support targeted and tailored 20mph zones where they are really needed, not a blanket implementation across a whole city.

"Sometimes the limits can be problematic because bus journey times are affected, and also there is an impact for delivery firms and everyone else driving in the city."

Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Oxford, Edinburgh and Bristol have all introduced 20mph limits in their city centres since the Portsmouth scheme began in 2007.

In Portsmouth, the new, lower speed limit applies to all vehicles, at all times, on 94 per cent of the city's streets. It is not enforced by speed cameras or road humps, but relies on drivers to obey limit signs.

The analysis, carried out by the consultants Atkins on behalf of the DfT, found that prior to the reduction in the limit, an average of 18.7 people per year were killed or seriously injured on the streets covered.

After the reduction this rose to 19.9 per year.

Taking into account people with less serious injuries, overall road casualties fell by 22 per cent after the scheme was introduced.

However, over the same time period, there was a nationwide fall in road casualties of 14 per cent. The Atkins report concluded "casualty benefits greater than the national trend have not been demonstrated".

Motorists' average speeds reduced by 1.3mph, from 19.8mph to 18.5mph, as a result of the scheme, according to the report, which tested speeds at 223 locations across the city.

However, independent statisticians criticised the way that the figures had been calculated, and said the true reduction in speed could be smaller.

Professor Stephen Senn, an expert in statistics at the University of Glasgow, said: "The design of the report is very bad. Various statistical terms are used incorrectly and they've probably used the wrong statistical test.

"They haven't got a control group, which is pretty basic, and without which it is pretty naive to jump to conclusions."

Previous studies have found that 20mph "zones", in which traffic-calming measures are deployed in addition to speed limit signs, produce bigger reductions in drivers' average speeds.

Norman Baker, the Liberal Democrat transport minister, has given his backing to 20mph limits.

In an interview in June he said: "For a child being hit at 30mph and 20mph is the difference between life and death.

"But this is also about making out town centres more attractive places to live and work, and reducing carbon emissions by encouraging people to cycle or walk."

However, the push for new 20mph roadsigns flies in the face of separate Government guidance to local authorities which encourages them to keep street clutter to a minimum.

The Portsmouth report stated that "sign clutter has been a problem at some locations".

Research has found that when pedestrians are hit by a vehicle at 20mph only one in 40 dies, compared with one in five at 30mph. However only 15 per cent of fatal crashes and 5 per cent of all accidents are caused by speeding.

Idris Francis, a retired company director who lives near Portsmouth and has previously spoken out against speed cameras, said the scheme had not worked.

"They are trying to manipulate the figures to show what they want," he said.

"But in many areas speeds actually increased. It is worrying that the limits might be changing the behaviour of people for the worse and making some roads more dangerous."

A spokesman for the Department for Transport said: "This report by an independent contractor on the Portsmouth city council scheme is one of several research documents available to help councils decide whether they want to put in place 20 mph zones or limits on their roads.

"It is up to local authorities to make these decisions using their knowledge of local roads and in consultation with local communities."

An Atkins spokesman added: "Industry standard methodology was used in the preparation of this report. All findings were peer-reviewed internally and by the DfT prior to publication."

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 09:33 
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I'm kinda finding it hard to reconcile these three statements:

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20mph limit has not made roads safer


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found that it has not brought any significant reduction in the number of accidents.



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Taking into account people with less serious injuries, overall road casualties fell by 22 per cent after the scheme was introduced.


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However, over the same time period, there was a nationwide fall in road casualties of 14 per cent. The Atkins report concluded "casualty benefits greater than the national trend have not been demonstrated".


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weepej wrote:
I'm kinda finding it hard to reconcile these three statements:

Its quite simple, you have to know what are apples and oranges, and which is most fruity.

Also, one quote you didn't highlight:
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The number of people killed or seriously injured on affected roads actually went up, not down, after the limit was lowered.


The KSI count went up, not by much, but enough to cast doubt on the effectiveness of the scheme.

I have repeatedly said how pedestrians are taking unusual risks in Portsmouth.

Oh, and wasn’t there another report that said traffic was displaced away from such schemes by 15%?, so all else equal, should the KSI rate also have fallen by that 15%?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 14:38 
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Does "internal peer review" really count as peer review?

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The main problem with the Portsmouth scheme is that it is a blanket arrangement taking no account of the types of roads and conditions. If you take the 20mph zone in the centre of Salisbury, the latter scheme makes much more sense. The roads in Salisbury city are narrow, twisty and have a lot of parking and pedestrians (even at night). This zone is basically self enforcing (as it should be).

Still, Salisbury is one of the most beautiful cities in the UK while Portsmouth is.....

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Seeing that you would be hard pushed most of the time to exceed 20mph along most of the side roads in Portsmouth, I'm not surprised it has made no difference. It just seems another utter waste of money when Councils are telling us they have tight budgets.


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Seeing that you would be hard pushed most of the time to exceed 20mph along most of the side roads in Portsmouth, I'm not surprised it has made no difference. It just seems another utter waste of money when Councils are telling us they have tight budgets.

Yes, at 19.8 mph (avg.) BEFORE the 20mph limit, it would appear that many drivers are already below the old 30mph limit - and now already below the 20mph limit!

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BEFORE the 20mph limit, it would appear that many drivers are already below the old 30mph limit - and now already below the 20mph limit!



A 20mph average speed doesn't mean people aren't reaching 60 between junctions.

E.g. In free space I travel at 20 - 25 mph on my pedal cycle across London but my average speed is 12-14 mph.


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weepej wrote:
Ernest Marsh wrote:
BEFORE the 20mph limit, it would appear that many drivers are already below the old 30mph limit - and now already below the 20mph limit!

A 20mph average speed doesn't mean people aren't reaching 60 between junctions.

What proportion of drivers do you think are, or were, reaching 60 (or anywhere near it) on residential streets in Portsmouth?

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PeterE wrote:
weepej wrote:
Ernest Marsh wrote:
BEFORE the 20mph limit, it would appear that many drivers are already below the old 30mph limit - and now already below the 20mph limit!

A 20mph average speed doesn't mean people aren't reaching 60 between junctions.

What proportion of drivers do you think are, or were, reaching 60 (or anywhere near it) on residential streets in Portsmouth?


Probably a very small but rather dangerous number of drivers. Which rather asks the question: if the average speed is already under 20mph what inconvenience is a 20mph likely to cause to the majority of already careful drivers?

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Instead of changing the legislation and putting up signs imposing the new limit, the council should be making effort to CAPTURE those few drivers who drive irresponsibly to protect the rest of their citizens.

This is the problem all over the country - the government of the last 13 years thought ruthless enforcement with cameras in a few places would solve the perceived problem.
It didn't - it just led a new generation of drivers to believe that the limit represented the safe speed at which to negotiate a given stretch of road.

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Which rather asks the question: if the average speed is already under 20mph what inconvenience is a 20mph likely to cause to the majority of already careful drivers?

If average speeds are already near or below 20 mph, and the limits will scarcely ever be enforced, the whole exercise just seems a complete waste of money on a par with putting miles of 30 or 40 limits along rural unclassified :nsl: roads. The sole purpose is to be a placebo for local residents' concerns.

I'm not familiar with Portsmouth and so can't comment on the specifics of how these limits have been applied – but I'd like to bet that there are at least some locations where 30 mph is entirely reasonable, and it is there that what enforcement there is will be targeted.

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Which rather asks the question: if the average speed is already under 20mph what inconvenience is a 20mph likely to cause to the majority of already careful drivers?

The "average speed" of what, and when?

On some Portsmouth roads it would be suicidal to do 20mph at any time of day - the application of 20 limits there is quite reasonable.

On other Portsmouth roads it is possible to safely exceed 20mph at the times of day when it is not bunged up. Traffic jams reduce the average speed (as well as have a disproportionately heavier weighting due to the higher concentration of vehicles involved).

Setting limits at 'mean' (or median) speeds encourages criminalisation of half of all drivers, and likely encourages criminalisation of most drivers at certain times of the day.

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What has all this cost?
Our local council wanted £500 to erect a single 3 inch steel post with nothing on it - except once a month when they would hang a VAS on it until the battery ran out!

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