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I suppose technically speaking, thinking outside the box, any reference to up, down, clockwise or anticlockwise is all relative to where you and it are. Something in New Zealand ‘falling down’ is falling up in relation to me here in the UK isn't it? ;) :D


AIUI "down" is defined as the direction in which things fall. :-)

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quite some number of these believe that a fictional character has told them to go and blow up people who do not believe in their fairy-tale


Yes - George Bush and Tony Blair, for two. Barak Obama and David Cameron for two more.


Oh crap! I missed this post previously, and was quite looking forward to talking serious issue with it! Has anyone else got any idea which fictional character it is that I'm supposed to have followed into a holy war?

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I suppose technically speaking, thinking outside the box, any reference to up, down, clockwise or anticlockwise is all relative to where you and it are. Something in New Zealand ‘falling down’ is falling up in relation to me here in the UK isn't it? ;) :D


AIUI "down" is defined as the direction in which things fall. :-)

So you are defining our world in terms of this planet instead of our 'impossible to understand' magnificent universe which we, full of our self importance, declare to be upright? ;)

Are Kiwi’s upside-down or us, or neither? Maybe I'm horizontal, or some other ‘obtuse’ angle :? :roll:

Sounds like our point of reference is a point at the epicentre of an insignificant planet we call Earth in an equally insignificant universe which, for all our self-importance, is but one dimension in a place we have always lied about understanding, invoking GOD for sex revenge and superiority, yet in the big scheme of things we are still no more than a dog trying to understand English.

How many humans do you know speak to a dog in English and why?

“Sit” “Roll over” “BEG”

You could equally quack, clap, fart, burp or just ‘a look’ to train a subservient dumb animal to do what you want. It happens between humans too - and has for a very long time, has it not?

Humans' or a human have been "getting away with it" for a very long time and will do so long after me or anyone else here in the living.

Funny how the Globe is pointing the way it is and why Australia is 'Down Under'. I think their globe should be what we call upside down and the Antarctic is at the top. Give me one good reason why not? If America took over Australia because of some disaster or to suit their needs I'm sure the globe would be what we call upside down don’t you think?

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quite some number of these believe that a fictional character has told them to go and blow up people who do not believe in their fairy-tale


Yes - George Bush and Tony Blair, for two. Barak Obama and David Cameron for two more.


Oh crap! I missed this post previously, and was quite looking forward to talking serious issue with it! Has anyone else got any idea which fictional character it is that I'm supposed to have followed into a holy war?

Well maybe you and him, along with others, should be able to cross swords, so long as is doesn’t descend into him trolling? (Again)

Ref?

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Oh crap! I missed this post previously, and was quite looking forward to talking serious issue with it! Has anyone else got any idea which fictional character it is that I'm supposed to have followed into a holy war?


If my knowledge of the military is correct - and , if it isn't, you will surely put me right - you went to war obeying orders which came down a chain of command which started with the Prime Minister. That was Anthony Blair, a man who is on record about consulting his imaginary friend Jehovah when in doubt about his decisions.

(And please don't treat that as criticisms of you. As a failed mariner I have great respect for all my countrymen who embrace the Way of the Warrior)

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Big Tone wrote:
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AIUI "down" is defined as the direction in which things fall. :-)

So you are defining our world in terms of this planet instead of our 'impossible to understand' magnificent universe which we, full of our self importance, declare to be upright? ;)


Not at all. Down would still be direction things fall if I was on the planet of another star. Or floating in the depths of intergalactic there would still be a direction in which things fell, albeit very slowly. And in a spinning space craft down would be at right angles to the direction of rotation.

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Are Kiwi’s upside-down or us, or neither? Maybe I'm horizontal, or some other ‘obtuse’ angle :? :roll:

If, as I suspect, you have been imbibing grape or grain then you would be safer in an horizontal position :-)

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Sounds like our point of reference is a point at the epicentre of an insignificant planet we call Earth

The Earth is far from insignificant to those who inhabit it

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You could equally quack, clap, fart, burp or just ‘a look’ to train a subservient dumb animal

Indded you could. But if you do train it in English it would be correct to say that it understands a limited subset of the English language

Humans' or a human have been "getting away with it" for a very long time and will do so long after me or anyone else here in the living.

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Funny how the Globe is pointing the way it is and why Australia is 'Down Under'.

The fact is that the first world maps were made by Europeans at a time when littler was known about Americi or Strilia . But I do agree that most commonly seen map - Mr Mercator's map is rather misleading. But there are alrenatives

http://flourish.org/upsidedownmap/hobodyer-large.jpg

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dcbwhaley wrote:
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I suppose technically speaking, thinking outside the box, any reference to up, down, clockwise or anticlockwise is all relative to where you and it are. Something in New Zealand ‘falling down’ is falling up in relation to me here in the UK isn't it? ;) :D


AIUI "down" is defined as the direction in which things fall. :-)


So when a Satelite is "Falling" around the Earth in an eliptical orbit, What diection is it going in as it approaches apogee? :bunker: :D

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Big Tone wrote:
I suppose technically speaking, thinking outside the box, any reference to up, down, clockwise or anticlockwise is all relative to where you and it are. Something in New Zealand ‘falling down’ is falling up in relation to me here in the UK isn't it? ;) :D


AIUI "down" is defined as the direction in which things fall. :-)


So when a Satelite is "Falling" around the Earth in an eliptical orbit, What diection is it going in as it approaches apogee? :bunker: :D


I'd have thought that folk would get worried if
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A Satelite in orbit it in "Free fall" is it not??

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A Satelite in orbit it in "Free fall" is it not??


Just splitting hairs & trying to look at it in a humourous light . :roll: :wink:

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A Satelite in orbit it in "Free fall" is it not??


Yes. But the term "free fall" is short for "free from fall". There is no direction of down in those circumstances.

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A Satelite in orbit it in "Free fall" is it not??


Yes. But the term "free fall" is short for "free from fall". There is no direction of down in those circumstances.



Actually, I think part of the problem here is a need to define "Falling" :D :wink:

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Oh crap! I missed this post previously, and was quite looking forward to talking serious issue with it! Has anyone else got any idea which fictional character it is that I'm supposed to have followed into a holy war?


If my knowledge of the military is correct - and , if it isn't, you will surely put me right - you went to war obeying orders which came down a chain of command which started with the Prime Minister. That was Anthony Blair, a man who is on record about consulting his imaginary friend Jehovah when in doubt about his decisions.

(And please don't treat that as criticisms of you. As a failed mariner I have great respect for all my countrymen who embrace the Way of the Warrior)


That's not quite the same thing as being ordered by the fictional character, and even if it were, military action necessary to stabilize a region to prevent the radicalisation of a nuclear power can hardly be described as a holy war.

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That's not quite the same thing as being ordered by the fictional character, and even if it were, military action necessary to stabilize a region to prevent the radicalisation of a nuclear power can hardly be described as a holy war.


That is a largely hypothetical point since the effect of the military action has not been "to stabilize a region". Rather the opposite, in fact. And more a "holier than thou" war than a holy war.

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That's not quite the same thing as being ordered by the fictional character, and even if it were, military action necessary to stabilize a region to prevent the radicalisation of a nuclear power can hardly be described as a holy war.


That is a largely hypothetical point since the effect of the military action has not been "to stabilize a region". Rather the opposite, in fact. And more a "holier than thou" war than a holy war.


That's a rather ill-informed point of view.

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