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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 09:56 
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The Independent here
The Independent - Nigel Morris wrote:
Drug money 'should go to local communities'
By Nigel Morris -Tuesday, 29 March 2011

Baroness Newlove, whose husband, Garry, was kicked to death by youths outside their home, today calls for drug dealers' money to be given to neighbourhoods affected by crime.

She also says more communities should be able to set their own speed limits to make it easier to crack down on "boy racers". Her plans, in a report commissioned by the Home Office, are designed to help residents "reclaim their streets". They come after ministers dropped the use of antisocial behaviour orders in favour of giving extra powers to police and encouraging residents to band together to take action against low-level crime. Lady Newlove came to prominence in 2007 when her husband was murdered after he confronted drunken youths vandalising their car in Warrington.

She was made a peer by David Cameron, who appointed her to be the Government's "champion for active safer communities", a role intended to chime with his vision of the Big Society.

Lady Newlove is championing the idea of "bling back", under which drug dealers' assets seized by police do not go into a central fund, but are channelled back into the areas where they used to operate.

Plans to overhaul drug sentences guidelines to allow lower-level offenders to avoid jail were set out by the Sentencing Council. Under the proposals, drug-runners who supply up to 50 grams of heroin or cocaine or up to 100 ecstasy tablets will face up to three and a half years' custody or a community sentence.

Communities that provide information to police which results in a conviction would receive a reward that could be used locally on crime prevention. And people who join anti-crime initiatives could receive council tax rebates, or vouchers to spend locally, in return for their work.

Under her plans, new police commissioners, the first of whom will be elected next year, would promise to spend at least 1 per cent of their budgets on local anti-crime schemes designed by residents.

Lady Newlove, who studied seven areas facing high levels of antisocial behaviour, said: "For too long now people have either not known how to get involved, have not been listened to when they have tried to speak out, or simply felt it wasn't worth it as nothing would ever change."

She said she wanted to challenge the status quo by empowering residents to fight back against low-level crime. "Everyone has a role to play," she said.

Plans to overhaul drug sentences guidelines to allow lower-level offenders to avoid jail were set out by the Sentencing Council. Under the proposals, drug-runners who supply up to 50 grams of heroin or cocaine or up to 100 ecstasy tablets will face up to three and a half years' custody or a community sentence.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:53 
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So, a worthy concept aimed at ridding the streets of drug dealers will be perverted into recording the numberplates of drivers perceived to be speeding.

Why is this? Well, you don't have to confront a motorist like you would a drug dealer so it's an easy cop out. Their definitions blur what most people would regard as "crime" with mildly annoying issues.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 13:41 
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"...perceived" to be speeding? Surely, if "the community" can set its own limit, then absolutely any speed deemed to be "too fast" by "the community" is, by definition, "speeding"?! That's going to be fun as you drive from one "community" to the next and the speed limit fluctuates on the whim of the mob! I wonder where the boundaries beteen "communities" will be? Of course, we have to be careful how "the community's" wishes were represented. Traditionally, those who seem to hold such positions are those with the most time on their hands...

I think a better, and much more democratic idea, would be for every individual member of "the community" to take turns in not only setting, but enforcing their own speed limit.... :twisted:


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This is going to sound a bit heartless but can I suggest that Baroness Newlove's qualifications for giving this kind of advice may leave her far from disinterested and not fitted to make objective judgements.

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i can remember this case on the TV, i dont recall Helen Newlove being a baroness then,


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Localism vs the general good, anyone?


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I would go further Malcolm; she's an idiot or a fool!

I am truly very sorry for what happened to her husband and how their families lives would have been turned upside down as a result. I remember this case well and it angered me to the point I felt like it was time to become a vigilante. :x My heart really does go out to her for her loss and what she has gone through; something she will have to live with for the rest of her life. :(

But she should not try and champion support for a completely different issue she knows nothing about off the back of her loss and grief in what I am sure is a very sincere effort ‘to do something’.

I’m sorry if that’s curt or offensive but what she has proposed is so very unrelated to a the serious matter of road safety! When I heard what she said on the news this morning I nearly spat my tea out and threw the cup at the TV.

I don’t mean to be glib but if I lost my daughter to some thugs the very last thing I would want to do is rally support in neighbourhoods to do something about driving habits.

Target the thugs who deserve to be strung up by their balls and left to rot FFS! Lobby Government to do something about the real problem we have in our dysfunctional society today with yobs. Getting a community together to do something about speed is going to do a big fat nothing for this case or any future reoccurrence of yobs ruling our streets IN THE REAL WORLD!

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Well I think she could be onto something.

I shall campaign for a 90mph speed limit in my community.

Perhaps you might like to wish me luck with that..........


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I suppose if we all became local Councillors then we could influence decisions at the local level at least.
I wonder how many local meetings we could all attend and help to point out some important and often never considered facts.

I do get asked what else could be done to reduce deaths / better road users, and there are many things ... from better research from the top down, to better applied engineering and traffic management solutions.
To move away from speed limits and enforcement as the panacea of all road safety to more local appreciate of the real problems to posters and reminders of what road safety is truly all about. (COAST etc)

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She's been "got at" by the powers that be - why she's been made a baroness. She'll just be a gov mouthpiece now.


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