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I thought it'd be a nice idea to do a version of the SS logo together with the name and web site.. Feel free to print out and use as a window sticker

Edit: Image removed - if you want to see the original, it's still available here. Otherwise, scroll down for the latest version.

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-mike[F]
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Lovely job, Mike, thanks.

With your permission, I'd like to make a couple of minor changes and place a copy on the main web site.

The changes are:

delete "UK" (we're not called Safe Speed UK)
Change the main font to Aerial (Helvetica) (the "SS" and our name always appear in helvetica).

I'm happy to make these changes, but since you're hosting the master somewhere else, perhaps you would like to do it? Up to you.

Thanks again, Mike. Very nice of you.

Naturally I'd like to credit you with the design and the work. How would you like to be credited?

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Paul Smith
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Righty... first off, the only font I used was Arial. (Although the 'SS' is in bold, which may make it look like something else.) Edit: I was completely wrong about this. Messed up in my grpahics program and didn't notice. (The actual font I used was Verdana!)

Secondly, oops about the name! I got so caught up in my idea I didn't research basic things.

I'll upload a couple of different versions in about 15 minutes - let me know what you fancy. As for credit, I'm not really bothered, it was an excuse to play about in PSP

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-mike[F]
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Okay, how does this look?

Edit: Removed - scroll down for final version. (Original image here).

Oh, and if you decide to use this image on your site, I'd appreciate if you took a copy and hosted it from your space rather than from my friend's generously provided hosting

Also worth nothing that I have a vectorised (.pspimage) file of this, so if you want to print it out a lot larger, it should be possible without any loss of quality. I'll upload it if anyone needs it.

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-mike[F]
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Hi Mike,

I don't know what's up with your fonts, but this is Arial (Helvetica):



What do you think of this version?

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Looks fine to me. Yours is bold arial, mine is regular arial. Emphasis on 'genuine' looks good.

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-mike[F]
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I hate to disagree with someone who so generously designed a most excellent sticker, but those fonts you used are not Arial. Sorry.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

...Bugger. You're right. I had *intended* to use Arial, but PSP for some reason left it at Verdana. Apologies for the confusion there! I shall change the fonts to Arial forthwith:-



Feel free to use whichever version you prefer

And now I'd best get to bed (2:09am!). Ciao.

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-mike[F]
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Message to Paul/ALL


The "Scameras" idiots need the "SS" LOGO ,probably with another symbol
fro WW2

So you would all be happy riding around with a big 'SS' sticker on your car???

Sounds like some of you should think back a few years and think about your logo!

AND surely a window sticker is blocking out important observation space????

Yep...SS Jaguar, SS Camaro, both great cars.

OH and the chevy truck



and then there are all the ships...

what were you thinking of....Mr Troll ?

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Or maybe it's about time we started the process of reclaiming this entirely innocent combination of letters from the particular connotation you allude to. As others have pointed out, SS already has other established meanings besides being the abbreviated form of Schutz Staffel. Indeed, using "ss" as a search term in Google returns as its first result the website for the California secretary of state, and it isn't until you look at the second page of results that you find the first reference to the Nazi-related use of the abbreviation... just under a link to Software Solutions - have you written to them suggesting they change their company name to something that isn't abbreviated to SS?




What, like the important observation space that's blocked out by a tax disc, or a parking permit, or one of those smart tags for toll payments or those "baby on board" diamonds... hmm, come to think of it, some of those last ones DO block out a fair bit of rearward visibility, so much for making life safer for the baby onboard

And since this is merely a design for people to print out and use as they see fit, there's nothing forcing them to use it as a window sticker - would you have any objection to making it into a bootlid/rear bumper sticker instead?

Do any of the above companies have the logo emblazoned like yours? All I was suggesting is that the way you have presented the logo makes it a bit more relevant to older times. There is nothing wrong with using SS but it can be printed in certain ways that could make it more worrying. And no matter what you say there will be people who could relate it back to WW2.

I like the way you try to argues against my comment about blocking up window space, and then actually fall over yourself and admit I have a point. With stuff like tax discs etc already in window space, why take up more with unecessary stickers? With regards to the placement of the sticker, it has been stated as being a window sticker so my argument was based on that.

Have you seen the badge for an SS Jaguar??? Take a look at it, its worse than SafeSpeed's logo. It actually looks like the ill famed WW2 one.

As for the Camaro it isn't a great car. It can't go round corners properly. Nothing American can. Try a good old British designed car, or maybe even go as far as a Japanese one, then you can get something that corners properly.

All the ships? They don't have logos with just 'SS' emblazoned on them do they. When you say this you are completely missing my point. The SafeSpeed logo is just 'SS', do ships have the same or do they have a name with them?? I'm sure you can at least figure that out!

Uhh, I don't have a logo, I suggest you double-check who you're replying to before starting to reply...



Well yes, if the Safe Speed logo used lightning-flash styled esses instead of the bog-standard Helvetica/Arial, or if it were rendered in shiny silver, or if it were actually drawn in such a way as to draw parallels with the Schutz Staffel emblem, then you'd have a valid point. But the fact is, when I look at the logo, the first thing that springs to my mind is "road sign". Strange that, a logo for a road-based campaign having a logo designed to look like a road sign...




So I'll ask again, do you have similar objections to other organisations/companies who use SS?




I like the way you fail to spot irony when it slaps you across the face... a badly placed window sticker IS a problem, agreed, but a window sticker doesn't have to be badly placed - that's the point I was making, and the point you entirely managed to miss.




Most vehicles have several areas of glass which could comfortably accommodate a reasonably sized sticker without causing a problem.




That's as maybe, but since this sticker doesn't actually exist except as a collection of ones and zeros on a webserver hard drive somewhere, it doesn't take much effort to consider that, if using it as a window sticker would genuinely be a safety risk, then using it as a body sticker instead would neatly resolve the problem. Just because the designer has suggested it could be used as a window sticker doesn't mean you HAVE to use it as one - this is still (just) a country where freedom of thought is permissible, you know...

Meaningless coincidence. SS Jags were around in the mid 30s. Do you see the Americans changing the phone number of their emergency services because of the unfortunate coincidence of it's three numbers being associated with a terrorist atrocity

I'm with Twister - we should have long sinced moved away from any emotive reactions to the letters SS except within the context of WW2. Life is full of unpleasant reminders to past events, both large ones that affected millions to individual personal tragedies. But we don't move on by constantly looking backwards.

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Eh?? What are you on? The person has suggested its use as a window sticker so I am basing my argument on that suggestion, made clearly in the post. If the person had said it is a general car sticker then I wouldn't post about it being in the window now would I. Freedom of thought and all that eh.....

Ah yes, but to deny history is to deny who we are and where we have come from.

I bet if you did a general survey with that sticker there would be others who would think like me.

I am sure there are...I'll have a look on the T2000 web site..

Apart from that I can't think of anyone.

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