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Dratsabasti
 Post subject: It's not just speed
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How about the road surface?


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too right!

The A34 is apauling in the wet, then you hit the newbery bypass (the one swampy protested against) and the road is almost dry, The drainage is well designed and works.Then you hit the spray again.

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I'm sure that a shiny road surface doesn't have a very good skid resistance.

I have also gone round a corner on a road, and on the bend the road surface had deteriorated to such an extent that I momentarily lost control of my car and ended up on the other side of the road. About ten seconds later I passed a bus!

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About ten seconds later I passed a bus!


Ouch! :lol:
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Southampton have been so stingy with the budget that many roundabouts have worn through the waring course of tarmac to the course layer of tarmac. Of course they put a speed camera up as a higher prioity than fixing the road :(

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“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
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Yet another reason a 4x4 makes perfect sense in london - having driven the same vehicle in on-road 2WD and 4WD modes the extra grip and reassurance 4WD gives you when they stick a huge speed hump right before an adverse camber bend with a broken gravelly surface makes me never want to go back to a 2WD vehicle.

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Doesn't mean you need a 4x4, you can get lots of vehicles with 4WD/AWD that are a more reasonable size and easier to park. How about a Golf TDI 4motion? Not got the cash? a 1.3 litre AWD Subaru Justy (rebadged Suzuki Swift with AWD) can be had for less than a grand.

(note: not saying that no-one should be allowed 4x4s, you have a right to drive them but this argument for justifying them is not a valid one, sorry)

I agree with the sentiment though. I wouldn't go back to FWD if I could possibly avoid it.
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The Honda HRV, has a similar size footprint to my Nissan Primera, in fact I would say it is slightly smaller.
Yet the inside, well, it's like the TARDIS, it's huge. Permanent 4WD, and it is probably better on fuel than my car.
I fail to see the problem with most 4X4s, some are oversized, some are driven by muppets, but if I was in the market for a new car, I would happily go for a 4X4, to allow me to drive on the present abyssmal roads we have.
If I could really afford it, I would buy a tank, something like a Scorpion, does a nice top speed as well. Engine is the 4.2 litre Jaguar, so servicing wouldn't be a problem.
Pot holes wouldn't worry me in the slightest in that.

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I'd have a 1985 Isuzu trooper it Matt green - oh wait, we did have and the turbo blew up :(

The main road out of Calne towards Swindon is appauling - its a major LGV route and on both sides of the road it looks as though the drains are collapsing - massive subsidance that, if it catches you off guard, practically drags you off the road into the ditch. Don't even get me started on manhole covers in the middle of road....

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The main road out of Calne towards Swindon is appauling - its a major LGV route and on both sides of the road it looks as though the drains are collapsing - massive subsidance that, if it catches you off guard, practically drags you off the road into the ditch. Don't even get me started on manhole covers in the middle of road....


Do you mean the road that goes through Lyneham?
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The one from Calne to Lyneham - goes through goatacre and that lot. The one from Lyneham to Bassett ain't much better - there are two huge manhole covers on a bend that you can't actually avoid without crossing the white line :o

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The one from Calne to Lyneham - goes through goatacre and that lot. The one from Lyneham to Bassett ain't much better - there are two huge manhole covers on a bend that you can't actually avoid without crossing the white line :o


Yeah, know it well. Used to be stationed at Lyneham :) Was really surprised to see how close New Zealand was to there as well :lol:

My worst experience of that road was whilst turning right at the then newly constructed mini-roundabout in the centre of Lyneham. Some plonker in a ruddy great beige thing came hoofing along from the opposite (Bassett) direction and flew across the roundabout millimetres from the front of my car as I was turning :roll: .
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Did you ever go to New Zealand?

I once broke down on the bike on the approch to that roundabout...very nice man stopped and helped me push it into the garage....

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According to those in know (sarcasm) there is no distinction between a Subaru Justy 1.2 4wd and a 4.2 Toyota Amazon 4wd. ALL 4wd are evil and should be banned from the roads, worn out or not. Not economical, wear out the roads, clog up the roads on the school run, primary cause of global warming..oh and squash small mammals into smeary paintings on the roads.

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Sixy_the_red wrote:
Did you ever go to New Zealand?


No. You know when you live somewhere and you think, I must visit X someday, its only down the road. Only I never did :(
Only just managed to fit Stonehenge in before I left.
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Dont bother - New Zealand is full of orcs :lol: . Drive through it without stopping as they make a hell of a mess on the windscreen...... :wink:
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NZ folks are a great bunch - have an expression 'She'll be right' makes manyana look fast.

Lived there for a year - North Shore, just across from Auckland.

Never saw any Orcs though - Oops wrong Island.

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ISLAND ROADS SLIP BELOW STANDARDS

http://www.iowtoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2. ... ID=1138854

To be fair, they are doing some work to improve the situation on at least some of these roads, but it was quite surreal when the 'skid warning' sign suddenly appeared on almost every road overnight. :!:
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I think possibly I should explain what Rigpig and I are talking about.... There is a VERY small hamlet near Lyneham in Wiltshire called New Zealand. It consists of about 3 houses and a farm, and I can assure you, no orcs at all :lol:

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ISLAND ROADS SLIP BELOW STANDARDSBy Ross Findon
More than 100 roads on the Island could be below national safety standards according to the IW Council.
The skid resistance of roads across the Island was tested as part of efforts to secure a Private Finance Initiative that could see millions of pounds of investment in highways in the future.
However, the current concerns mean the council has had to erect warning signs on 101 stretches of road, including some major routes such as parts of the A3054, Forest Road and Yarmouth Road.
A council spokesman said they were validating the test results to find out why so many road surfaces failed to comply with the standards.
"As a precaution, while the results are being validated, temporary warning signs have been erected to cover stretches of roads where poor skid resistance has been reported.
"Drivers should take extra care to drive safely and in accordance with the prevailing conditions wherever these signs have been placed," said the spokesman.


A freedom of information act requst would be interesting to get this report. Especially if the sections of road had a speed camera installed with out fixing the road first. As these are statically dangerous roads to get a camera in the first place!

A letter of complaint to the MP for the island as to why procedures were not followed by the saftey camera partnership?

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