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It must have been me!

Yes, a lot of you have a lot to worry about...
I don't think I'm going to go out and break the law in my car. I haven't done it yet, and I won't do it in the future.
Why would I want to "prosecute myself" anyway?


This is getting laughable.
Firstly, they wouldn't find any offences done by ME, but your presumption that every speeds all the time, or breaks the road laws in other ways, is very telling...
Secondly, why would I keep months of footage? If nothing happens on a journey, I tape over it all. If something happens, I copy it to my PC.

This IS going to start happening - many people are just like me- peeved off with the number of idiots who shouldn't be driving on our roads, fed up with having our lives threatened every day by maniacs who think they own the road.

The police will HAVE to act when the videos are plastered all over the internet, clearly showing the plates and faces of these drivers.

Can anybody translate the German guy's post, about faking footage, as I gave up trying.

Nobody can fake footage, if so, show me some. Show me faked footage of a car driving somewhere, that's realistic, and high resolution.

Mosis, would you have the (true) road speed displayed in the corner of the frame of your "accidentally" shot video - like police cars do? It strikes me that this information would be pretty fundamental to any successful prosecution.

Also, you might have to connect your brake lights to it as well. Thinking about it, someone in the video very rapidly approaching the back of your car, getting too close and wearing a frustrated expression could either be a homicidal tailgater who was speeding and then seeking to intimidate you OR some perfectly innocent driver driving within the speed limit who just had some moron brake hard in front of them for no apparent reason!

I guess it all depends when you start and stop the tape!

Didn't one of the newpapers catch Brunstums daughter speeding. They were using a borrowed speed gun. But it never got to court as the gun wasn't calibrated / or the operator wasn't qualified or something.

I drive maybe 15,000 miles a year, and in the past have done a lot more.

I see a fair amount of behaviour that is maybe a bit daft or thoughtless.

I virtually never see anything that on the basis of a video record would be considered worthy of prosecution as careless or dangerous driving.

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Exactly - and we all have different perceptions of what we consider to be daft of thoughtless as well.

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As my wife and IG pointed out already - you are complacent. You do not know if you may indavertently do something wrong - and if you are so buys pointing the finger at others - and everyone else is filming - you may in be for a nasty suprise if flimed at moment your bulb blows or you straggle a double white/solid white to overtake a milk float at 8 mph. A civilian video is not going to show the speed at being 8 mph - just that you overtook on a double white and you are legal to overtake up to 10 mph - if safe to do so

Also do you not htink it hypocritical to wag finger at everyone else when you may also be above speed limit ? I doubt if your film would get the number of the tailgater - too close to get the reg anyway ...

Oh - how do I know? Because we do have some cams which we use on occasion to teach hazard perception and good practice to the twins who will be 17 in the summer. Like Ern - we use some film of real driving to teach our young or learn something for ourselves by "replay" We would never dream of running off to Ian or IG over it though ... But then - people have been daft - but not downright dangerous - but then our driving styles try to diffuse the dangers anyway ...

We drive to COAST - and you still have not defined how this fits your drives - nor shown you understand POWER either. Wildy has given a clue in this thread by the way



aGAIN COMPLACENCY.

You cannot be sure - as said - if I were to film you legally overtaking a vehicle below 10 mph on a double white - it would bot be clear unless I could prove a calibrated speed showing this was legal.

Your brake light main switch may fail - this would render you illegal - and if you have not topped your secreen wash or cleaned your windows or even have a hairline crack - you'd not be legal - but no film would show this.

Also - you say you glance at your speedo every 10 seconds - if you are so "brilliant" - you should not need to.


In my experience all the truly awful drivers think they are superb, never ever breaking the law ....never can be taught anything new ... and they are the ones who never think how thier driving affects the other road user, do not give enough space to cyclists (you won''t see them - too busy speedo gawping and you must have a reason for 10 second glances - cannot believe you are so unaware of speed that you have to check so constantly ... )

Do us all a favour - pipe down - do an IAM course and then tell us what they found lacking.

You would be less than truthful if you returned and said your Observer thought you were the bees knees - they note things you never considered prior to this




I could - but then am not likely to place photos of the kids on the internet - when we do send - they are burned to disc and sent snail mail.

But do buy "Digital Photography" - they show you how to edit, enhance, air brush and give special effects and the software to use.

by the way - my wife has a problem with silly words such as "und" for "and" and "ist" for "is"

Used to be worse .. we were subjected to "mit" for "with" "und so weiter.." and some naughty German words at one point.

Have AND

AND
IS

in magnetic letters all over the fridge and posters in her study... makes no difference ...

Lingo in the home? English of a sort to me... High German to the kids and Schywz/romansch/French/Italian amongst the family - but usually Schwyzer - Appenzeller version which is nasal.

A right pain to be married to.... at times

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As MM has said - ist very possible to airbrush und give special effects to...
Und also if on editing - you delete a frame or split ever so slightly - ist extremely possible to give an incorrect impression of what actually happen.



Und there are books in the computer shops as well



Ach - so that's what they are for.....



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Hang on, I think I've missed the point here

Why would anyone who wasn't sanctimonious, suffering from a God complex and with a lot of free time actually want to do this?

As Mosis is presumably not talking about speeding offences (because private video footage would not be able to show this), wouldn't having more traffic police (like we used to) driving about doing this for us be a better idea?

Brilliant idea - wonder why our highly intelligent government hadn't thought of this ( ooh forgot - needs cash )

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Oh, I'm sure Mosis is talking about speeding offenses. He sticks absolutely glued to his speedometer. It's accuracy or lack thereof is simply is dodging the point.

Perhaps upon analysis of all these incidents of bad driving and tailgating, Mosis will realise that the common factor in each of them is him.

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Exactly

But did meet twazak from hell - or rather three of them. The dodygy unwise overtake on NSL with poor visibility und surface

Two chaps on wrong side of road - overtaking. ... Was 30 mph urban - I was on-coming und had to feather brake und adjust position und still give adequate clearance to cyclist at time..

Person they overtake .. at 28 mph in my opinion too. No need for it.

Irritating ... illegal .. but still not of mind to bother reporting to lieber Ian as all normal drivers apply COAST und thus adapted to hazard of numpty. Diffused und we all used greatest normal skills

Have thought about whether could have done better und come to conclusion - not much could do - but may be shaved off a further 3 mph for the cyclist. He was at 20- mph .. I shaved to 17 m,mph per the origin on board. THihnk I gave him just 1.5 sec distance initially - dropping to two und should have been two from start .. ...

I am sure twazak will have behaved purrfektly at the fixed scam location though


but still not inclined to report und in any case - would not have speed und would have had to "freeze frame" for reg ... und thus civilian footage open to accusation und suspicion



Genau Liebchen

Exactly... these are the professionals who can judge a lot better und be objective about it.

I do respect Ian, IG und all the on PH ... I value each one of them - und I owe my life to one who ist on the BBC prog from Cheshire - the one with the longer service

Ja - eldest kitten now 18 und bit... I started being broody young... und have nice successful career because my lovely Papa ensured a "precocious" education But I cannot pretend to see 40 again ... - but then am lucky to see 40 ... - ist achievement - but still owed 100% to a policeman who was an absolutely gentle und clever man one day.


Und I want these types around .. 24/7 und I do notr begrudge one penny of my tax if it pay for what we all need.

I do begrudge paying for those who0 could not be employed otherwise und bureaucratic oafs who seek to destroy British justice in bid to seek out their pee-cee mealy mouthed objectives of pure jealous nonsense - who hate those who can - because they can do und achieve all that they are incapable of doing

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Forgot to mention... and surprised the Mad Cats never mentioned as they had to do this as well...

But - if you are as "observant as you claim to be" mosis - you would surely note that all the shops using CCTV, all the towns and even the s/cam partnerships abide by one law in the land..

They are required to have a sign warning you that cameras are operating - an as Sir Ian B discovered - even if you are - (to coin an apt Wildy word _ - the "toppest" and most senior in the land - you cannot record some things "in secret - without their knowledge -

Like the Mad Cats - have cams around my property in case someone tries to burgle me. We all were required to place a sign warning people that we have cameras in operation on the property.

You would have to have such a sticker on your car...

Just thought you need to be made aware of the legal requirements since you do not seem to have much knowledge about this either


PS - police cars by virtue of the workd "POLICE" written all over them - there will be doo-dahs fitted...

PPS - unmakred cars? Well - the officer's in uniform ... clearly in uniform - and there one or two other tell tale signs - but not for this forum .... - so those COAST skills? - do work ....

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On the theme of stickers on my car, I'm tempted to put radioactive cargo / toxic waste ones on it to deter the occassional tailgater, is that legal if there is no radioactive cargo?

Ah.. IG ... yep - had to get some permission for the right to film baddies if I were to report them. As for the odd stuff I film to teach the twins at mo' - for own use and no intent to do anything else with the short films.. and therein lies the legal difference.

If you intend to use this stuff to report a crime or perceived crime - you have to warn so that person may think twice and not do something daft. If for a "tourist" film or just used in way we use any filmed stuff to educate, never broadcast or seek to harm another - then we are OK as I understand from Andreas and his pals...

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It makes folk wonder just what you REALLY got up to last night!

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Enjoy life! You only have the one bite at it.

Yes -IG - but now police are using unmarked -SKODAs ---not really cricket is it ( after all would you be seen in a Skoda)

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Who are all these 'mr angrys' aggressively tail gating? I can't remember an occasion when he's bothered me.....maybe its because I tend to pull in and let people pass?

Mosis, why? do you really want to become some sort of misguided vigilante or did you just say that camera nonsense so that someone would say'thats a bad idea' so you could then counter with the 'if you've got nothing to fear.....' nonsense.

At the start of this thread Mosis makes a prediction, I'd like to make one too.

In the event that you go down this route Mosis, I predict that one day you will film someone who doesn't want you too and whilst they retreive your camera and film they will probably wind up seriously hurting you. If todays holigans think nothing of shooting a police officer then they will not give a second thought to your existance.

It is best to leave policing to those that are both trained and paid to do the job, as indeed it is best for them to extract themselves from the policies that they are required to enforce.

Policy is for politicians and democracy, democracy is about discussion as indeed is this website. I for one was quite pleased when you joined, yostarted out as a reasoned poster, putting your point of view resoanbly articulately, however like so many of your colleagues you have resorted to insultss as you fail to find the flaw in the argument against cameras.

Now I shall repeat, we are not all speed crazed freaks here, yes there are one or two but they don't stay long either, we are however all concerned with the decreasing standards of driving and road safety that has accompanied the loss of the traffic police from our roads, a loss that can be directly attributed to the speed camera policy.

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I'm getting quite concerned and confused.

Just who exactly are these 'speed crazed freaks', 'mr angrys' and so on that everyone keeps encountering?

I consider myself to be a pretty responsible driver who follows lane discipline, takes care around town and in bad conditions, lets people out of junctions and into queues (unless they're p1$$ takers) although I do tend to drive on the higher side of 70.

Does that make me one? (by some definitions I may be because I drive a german car)

What does a speed crazed freak look like? what do they drive? how old are they? what sex are they? how do they behave?

If nobody can answer this then I suggest we forget such hyperbole and get on debating the issues at hand. There are two scales by which a driver can be judged...competancy and recklessness.

The best score high on the former and low on the latter.

If you spent more time looking in your rear view mirror, and less time on looking where you are going, you would know!
They are all held up behind you while you potter along AT the posted speed!

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