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Please stop spamming up the BBC

I don't think he's here George. What are you talking about?

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Have you banned him too? If so I apologise and please remove the thread.

George,

I object to your constant veiled slurs. If you want to get banned libel will do the trick.

I have now banned two forum users - one for trolling and one for libel.

You might imagine that I've banned people because they don't share my views, but if that's what you think you couldn't be more wrong. I set this forum up to encourage debate. I welcome debate. I especially welcome informed and intelligent debate.

Why don't you enter into the spirit of the thing and help us to dig down to what's really important in road safety?

And btw, please explain your remark in the first post in this thread. Is Bogush "spamming" the BBC? How is he spamming the BBC? What is he spamming the BBC with? Is your accusation accurate, or is it libellous?

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Accurate

I take it from your comments that you have banned him for spamming. That is precisely why by popular demand he was banned from the BBC.

trolling....spamming it amounts to the same...irritating.

I've been here since near the beginning, and I'm not aware that Bogush J Mann (whom I have encountered in other forums) has ever been a member here.

Edit: I see he's a member, but he's never posted anything at all. There seems to be some hidden agenda with all this, George...

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I haven't had to ban anyone for "spamming". As far as I know the definition for "spamming" is widely accepted as "unsolicited and unwanted advertising (usually commercial)".

"Trolling" on the other hand is generally taken to mean: "posting a message to a forum or a group, where the main purpose is to provoke conflict (as opposed to reasoned debate)".

I haven't banned Bogush.

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I'm with PeterE. Bogush has never posted here, and he always used that nic AFAIK. He's hardly likely to get booted for not saying anything at all.

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How do you get banned from the BBC? Assuming we're talking about the national broadcaster here

Nope - not seen him on here. Have run across him on PH He does seem to go on a bit at tangents though - about trams and cyclists Is that the problem George? You like trams and bikes and he is a bit "extreme and controversial" in his point of view? He seemed a bit extreme when I read something or other on subject of trains on PH once. I gave up after the first paragraph In fairness - he has made the odd fair and reasonable comment on the PH site - but he seemed to bait one of the BiBs on there all the time. Think Ted ticked him off over it....eventually.

But he seemed to get a fair amount of long posts himself on his own site at one point - one of the Swiss guys in this family took a look-see at his site - and each thread had a posting made with minutes of each other - all identical and hundreds of pages long - appeared to be a lot of postings to another forum nailed together.... he could not make head nor tail of it ....seemed bit bizarre ......

Posting large ammounts of meaninless or pointless material would also be regarded as spamming in most corners of the internet.

Still not the same as Trolling.

Accurate ?
Shouldn't that read, Assumption ?

Care to post the evidence to your accusation ?

Some of the members on the beeb site have replied to the person you 'believe' to be 'Bogush' but none have mentioned that they think Mr Mann is responsible for the inputs.......so far !

Hanbo.

Can someone post the links please?

I'm off to email Bogush.

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By popular demand of Georgedagnes and "friends".

So that they could continue their debate untroubled by the truth.

A few examples of their current conversations:

Let's not start again George Painter - 462nd post - 18 Oct 2004 14:53
In the interests of not getting this board bogged down with bogus rubbish again may I suggest that if you want to discuss road safety please visit the "SafeSpeeds" discussion forum (do a web search). There you'll find that the Web-master Mr Smith believes it's safe to drive at 150mph on a public road.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/h2/h2.cgi ... am&sort=Te



1 foot and 3" shorter. Dave Bennell - 567th post - 18 Oct 2004 12:01
........My right foot was trapped under the pedels and I had to be cut free. The car was a write off. In hospital my foot was amputated along with 3" of my right leg.

The only cause of this accident was the van driver doing over 70mph in a 50mph zone. He admitted to the police that he belived 50mph was too slow a limit for this road and as a regular user often ignored the limit. He also reviled that he was a supporter of a well known site that advocates the raising of speed limits. ...........

1 foot and 3" shorter. George Painter - 461st post - 18 Oct 2004 12:21
.....Sadly that site to which you refer still exists but the good news is the local one has been shut down. I assume this to be the case as I can't access it from any computer, I also assume the police have done this as it was blatently promoting the ownership of guns with references to where one may obtain weapons locally.

The webmaster did rear his ugly head once again as "George Green" on this site a week or so back but in view of his history and the shock following Danielle's murder I think the BBC moderators have banned this alias too.

1 foot and 3" shorter. Agnes McKenzie - 69th post - 18 Oct 2004 16:03
.........George wrote "..... but the good news is the local one has been shut down...."

I assume you refer to the Its your duty site George, a horrid site frequented by nasty gun-toting people. One gentleman, who I fear used to post under the influence of drink or drugs bragged about the guns he owned and from where he got them. It is good news that the police took action against this revolting site as well as the one mentioned on the front page of the Post this evening.

My daughter thinks I should stand clear of all this and it did frighten me when the web-master hacked into our computers and got our personal details but it's only by standing up against nasty people who have guns that we make the world fit for the next generations

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/h2/h2.cgi ... am&sort=Te



re: RIGHT TO BUY Agnes McKenzie - 69th post - 11 Oct 2004 13:50
Freda and Moderators:
This man now posting as George Green is a very unpleasant character called Bogush J Mann who the BBC have seen fit to ban from posting under that name. He runs a revolting web-site in which he advocates; drink-drive, higher speed limits, fewer detection measures and more liberal gun controls. On the day of Marian Bate's funeral he wrote a letter to the Post asking for wider ownership of guns. Yesterday, following the horrific murder of a child he rears his ugly head once again.

Please everyone ignore this man!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/h2/h2.cgi ... &offset=50



If anyone follows the links: "George Painter - 46" is me responding to their "discussion" using a favourite trick of the boards "contributors" (I have dozens of emails from the the "moderators" confirming this isn't in breach of BBC House Rules - in response to numerous complaints!).


(If anyone is bored enough to investigate the background to my complaints about the BBC Nottingham "Discussion" Boards it's all linked from here:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?f ... 1098572318 )

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Can you remember what /where that extreme post was?



Would that be the BiB who, in response to a legal Q, gave the opposite advice to DVD, and then boasted about how he misused obstruction laws to penalise motorists for acting within the law?

If there is anything I hate more than hypocriscy, it's hypocritical misapplication of the law (nearly as much as being accused of misquoting and being libelled ! : - )



That would be the cut and pastes from the BBC Nottingham forum (hard copies also received in the post!). Nothing to do with George, of course. Or his mate Dave (the one who lost his foot above). Allegedly the spammer cut and pasted a whole page of the BBC website, including his own log in in the middle, and then cunningly replaced it with Dave's log in so that, on the assumption that at least one person would spot the deliberate "mistake", Dave would get the blame for the spam.

Incidentally, that's the same Dave who apparently lost his foot:

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1 foot and 3" shorter. Dave Bennell - 567th post - 18 Oct 2004 12:01
Hi, Nottingham. I'm back. (Don't all cheer at once). Three days after my last post, I was involved in only my second road traffic accident.
At 8.40pm on a road in Lancashire I was approching a right hand bend at about 40mph in a 50mph limited area.

The road conditions were dry, dusk and I had my lights on. The van traveling in the other direction towards me also had his lights on but was doing 72mph (as established by the police afterwards). The driver of the van failed to negotiate the bend and as a result stuck the offside of my car.

My right foot was trapped under the pedels and I had to be cut free. The car was a write off. In hospital my foot was amputated along with 3" of my right leg.

The only cause of this accident was the van driver doing over 70mph in a 50mph zone. He admitted to the police that he belived 50mph was too slow a limit for this road and as a regular user often ignored the limit. He also reviled that he was a supporter of a well known site that advocates the raising of speed limits.

In court he was fined £2500 and costs + points on his licence. I have a bit of compo to come. I have always believed that speed limits are set for a purpose and to ignor them is asking for trouble.

The nearest speed camera was situated some three quaters of a mile to my rear and I have asked for one to be place on this particular bend. I don't hold much hope as no one has been killed in this spot, yet.

It is only a matter if time.

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Didn't come into your hospital, perchance?

If he did, I hope you were gentle with him!

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Wildy is fine thanks. Almost back to her bubbling norm - and the new kitten is turning out to be a right little guzzling machine. Pity they grow up to be right little muppets though....

Think off top of my head you penned a couple of really long posts back in August - when I started being more active on that site. Usually I stay here on basis that it is more in depth and we all behave like gents .. There was one thread you started though - which all there thought was excellent.....all arguments covered and presented in blistering fashion - even your "fave" bib approved that one as I recall.




Very likely - shall name no names in public arena though



Too much misapplication of the law goes on .... leads to waste of our money as well.



I see.... Wildy's eldest cousin stumbled across that one - happened more than once - according to him? (Guy actually lives in Germany - is a right smart -ass on motoring - rolls up over here from time to time - moans about the speed limits when here as constant, and he could not get over the scamerati tactics here ) It did his head in apparently when he tried to read it..... he just did not know what to make of it....... he passed comment at time that he thought you had a real problem there - and that it was a shame as you have useful material and links on the site.



Not A&E. chap - am lurgy bloke ... but I am sure they were very gentle with him.

Nice ones Bogush,

Must admit, I was taken in when I first saw it on the beeb site and I thought George had finally flipped...........altogether !


Couldn't follow the final link though, the one to your forum, still got the same problem !


Hanbo.

Georgedagnes' latest libels (and an example of one of his playmates' searing intellect):



To the moderators George Painter - 464th post - 26 Oct 2004 12:35
Please put on the boards:
An imposter has been putting messages on this board apparantly coming from me. These messages promote gun ownership amongst other things which I strongly oppose.

I have complained using the buttons here to no avail. I have now taken the matter further as I believe this board now contains material which is potentially libellous.

So that there can be no confusion I shall now cease to post here, whilst I take legal advice and consider my next steps or until the offending messages are removed and I receive an apology from the moderator for allowing this state of affairs.

Please everyone ignore any messages which appear to come from me until an apology is printed.

George Painter signing off.



re: To the moderators robert l - 460th post - 26 Oct 2004 14:00
No need to worry George, I for one, spotted it was not you straight away.
We really need some new rules and new moderators for this board.



re: To the moderators Freda Woodyard - 152nd post - 26 Oct 2004 14:14
Cam down George! He's not worth getting all upset about.


From:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/h2/h2.cgi ... am&sort=Te

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Worry not Bogush and friends. Apology received, offending postings removed and I'm now able to debate on the BBC board, without breaking my word, if I choose to do so.